Crank the Delorean, Doc


Welp, you guessed it.

We’re going back. Way back. Maybe even way-way-way back for some of you. Today’s steps for crashing through mental barriers on the way to career happiness require us to get into the heads of our teenage selves. (Some of you may have just shivered at the thought.)

Grshcrshgrsh. The car’s grumbling to life. Buckle up for a wild ride!


Two months until graduation


We’re back in the halls of your high school. You slam your locker shut—trying to get it to stay closed for once—and hop back into your conversation with your pals.


“Who’s taking Cindy to prom?”


“Have you listened to the new Nirvana album?”

(Swap for The Rolling Stones, Fleetwood Mac, Springsteen, Celine Deon, or N’sync depending on your age.)


“What major are you choosing this fall?”

You’re mid-answer on the third question when you realize you left your english book in your locker, and have to rush back to grab it before you’re late to Mrs. Buchanan’s class. You spout out “history” or “communications” or “psychology” as you rush back to grab your book, hoping the locker latch kept everything inside this time.


Congrats, grads. (Two months later)


It’s graduation day. You pop in your favorite mixtape on the way to the school. There’s a feeling of hope and the unknown in the air.

You turn up the volume on your senior song and dream of what’s to come. The opportunities are unlimited. You think about how much you’ve loved high school, and how everyone says college gets even better. Your significant other has chosen a different college, and you’re not sure it’s going to last long distance. But it’s not time to worry about that now.

You hop out of the car, grab your grad gown, and get ready to toss your mortarboard sky high.


Back to the Future


Now, “Mcfly” back with me to present day. Like the pals in your high school hallways, I want to ask you a few questions:

Did you marry your high school crush?

Do you still listen to your mixtape on repeat?

Do you have the same haircut you had while taking Mrs. Buchanan’s english class?

Imagine being forced to choose your spouse when you were a teenager. Or keeping your hairstyle from senior year for the rest of your life. Or having a mixed tape you made in your freshman year of college become the only music you can listen to the rest of your life.

It all sounds ridiculous, right? That a decision you made before you even hit two decades of life would end up affecting the following 80 years? Well for many of you, a decision you made long ago IS still influencing the majority of your life: Your College Major.

Maybe it’s time to step out from under the expectations you set decades ago.


Escape the High School Shadow


Scott in highschool


The yearbook photos are cute and nostalgic, but what’s not cute is letting that fresh-faced teen with the awkward trim call all the shots in your life.

In our interview with Author Gretchen Rubin earlier this year, she talked about the concept of drifting. She defines “drift” as “the decision you make by not deciding.” I don’t know the details about how you chose your college major. Maybe you felt a real passion for your choice. Maybe you drifted into something your advisor suggested. Maybe you hung all the pages of your course catalog on your dorm wall and threw a dart at it. Whatever the case, your choice may not be relevant anymore. You can stop living in the shadow of your high school self.



But what about my identity?!


But for many people, the thought of swapping industries or changing a title on a business card feels like abandoning everything they’ve worked for in their lives. Even though they don’t feel ultimate career happiness, it seems insane to sacrifice decades of effort to start over somewhere else.

If you’re feeling the fear of identity loss and wasted time as you imagine choosing a new career outside of the scope of your college major, it’s okay. That’s natural. But I want to challenge you to think of your potential career change as building on your identity, not losing it. You can still use the skills you’ve built up in previous roles for future goals. You can identify your strengths and apply them in new contexts. Don’t sacrifice your past. Build on it.


Your Permission Slip


We’re people who are used to requesting permission. In elementary school, we ask for permission to go to the restroom. In high school, we ask for permission to stay out past curfew. In adulthood, we ask for permission to take vacation.

If you find that you’re needing someone to give you permission to reach outside of your college major, here it is. You have permission. It’s your own decision.

My friend Phillip talks to people who need to give themselves this permission all the time.

Phillip joined the Happen To Your Career team a couple months ago, so there’s a chance you’ve actually chatted with him already! Every week, he jumps on calls and talks to people seeking career happiness. This includes people who are in situations where they need to get out of their jobs ASAP or the high achiever who liked their job five years ago but is ready for something that fits their life TODAY.

Throughout these conversations, Phillip’s found three major categories of career seekers.



Three Challenges for High Achievers


  1. What’s next?


Yvonne knew she wanted something new, and she realized she’d have to identify her unique gifts and strengths to land a dream role. She started completing all the essential personality and strengths identifiers: Myers-Briggs, DISC, Strengthsfinder 2.0, and the Buzzfeed quiz on which Hogwarts house she belonged in…

She compiled a ton of information and felt herself becoming more self aware. But there was one problem…she didn’t know what to do with all this info!


  1. What’s important now?


Amy didn’t know what she wanted, but she knew it wasn’t her current role. Ten years ago, she’d found a job that fit her exact lifestyle, salary, and culture needs, but she wasn’t the same woman she’d been when she smiled for her first company badge photo.

Her priorities had changed. Could she find a career that fit her current needs?


  1. What’s out there?


Sophia had a sneaking suspicion she could love her career. She’d always worked a job that paid the bills and fit her calculated life plan, but she hadn’t really stopped to think about doing work she loved.

Sophia made previous decisions based on what she perceived to be available instead of what she actually wanted. When it came to her career, she wasn’t living…she was existing.



Three Answers for Career Dreamers


When Phillip has these conversations, he focuses on three major pieces of advice that will help every career seeker.


First off, Phillip loves to tell people (like you!) not to run from questions. Let yourself wonder, and then go find your answers! Lean into your curiosities instead of quieting them.

To put it another way, let’s go back to the classroom. Were you the kind of student dozing in the back section or sitting in the front row, pencil poised to learn and grow based on the day’s lessons? When it comes to finding a career you love, you’ll need to become the first row student, focused and ready for what’s next.


Secondly, Phillip continues to recognize how important people skills, networking, and relationship building are to living out career dreams. The problem with networking is it feels so selfish! There’s a sliminess that coats every business card, a feeling of insincerity over authenticity.

Phillip’s solution? Be ridiculously helpful. Be the bridge for others. Build genuine relationships, offer to help other career seekers, pass along opportunities that don’t fit you. Live a life of generosity and networking will begin to lose its grimey connotation.


Lastly, get out of your head! Since most of Phillip’s conversations are with high achievers, he sees an unending trend of perfectionism. The problem with perfectionism is that it slows down progress.

We ask all of our students to sacrifice perfection in their career search. Imperfect progress will lead to career dreams—not the starts and stops that come with a need for perfection.


All in all, I think we can agree on one thing…none of us are the same people we were in high school. So let’s stop living like it. Take back your independence from your teenage self today!


To find out even more common challenges and ways to overcome them, listen to Phillip on our latest podcast episode below.

Transcript from Episode

This is the Happen To Your Career Podcast with Scott Anthony Barlow.

We helped you stop doing work that doesn't fit you. Figure out what does and make it happen.

We help you define the work that's unapologetically you and then go get it.

If you're ready to make a change, keep listening.

Here's Scott.

Here's Scott

Here's Scott.


Scott: Welcome back to Happen to your career. I am incredibly excited to be able to have this conversation that we have planned for you today because as many times in the past I do have special guest but today I would say it's an extra special guest I have with me someone who has walked the walk lived at the talk and any other thing that you wanted to throw in there and when it comes to making making career moves being able to make heart changes being able to build relationships effectively. This guy has done quite a bit in a rather short period of time over the years and I just really respect him for that but in the last year, I've really got an opportunity to know him and at that same time we've brought him on to our team and I was going to say welcome for the first time on happened to your career podcast Phillip. How are you?


Phillip: I'm doing great Scott. Thank you so much for the introduction and I am thrilled and excited to be joining the happen to your career team.


Scott: Well, we're enamored to have you on board and you and I have had many conversations over the last, I guess it's been about three four months here and we're just really excited to have you in here particularly for this role too. So tell people a little bit about what your current role is and what you do first of all, and then we're going to spend a little bit of time beginning your story because you've got a really interesting one, but then we have so much more in store for people because well, I'll save that for a surprise here actually,


Phillip: awesome. I first of all I love the prices. So get ready. I'm excited but what I do is I am the director of Student Success and basically what that means is I get to talk to everyone that goes to each of our programs and make sure that, one they have all the tools and resources to make them successful and two also Make sure that each one of them gets the premier experience in working with anyone of our teams at happened to your career. And so really this just for me. This means I get to jump on calls and speak directly to each and every single person. This means people who have real problems that need real help and includes people who are you know in situations where they need to get out of their jobs as soon as possible or they might be in jobs at on the outside look really good, but have just kind of shifted and just they're just not a great fit right now. So when having these conversations, I've really observed that there's really three categories of people and challenges that really stood out to me


Scott: That’s amazing and that's exactly, surprise!. That's what we get to talk about because you have this really unique insight since you are talking with all of the people that come into the happen to your career world and you have these challenges and want to be able to figure out how to live both their career and their life differently. I think that, that's given you a unique perspective. So we're going to talk about some of those really most common biggest challenge types observations that you've had with all of these different calls in these people that you've gotten the opportunity to talk to. But before we do that, I want to dig into a little bit of your career. So you and I, I know some of this stuff but I think that you know, as I mentioned you've got  interesting story and I think it can be beneficial for our listeners too to understand how you've progressed through your career and also some of the things i know that you're great at too. And there's some pieces that I don't know. So I'm interested to hear that too. So we're you have obviously haven't always been the director for Student Success here in Happen To Your Career. Where did this all stood out for you? Where did your career start?


Phillip: That is a great question and to go back way when, I'm originally from the great state of Ohio. So shout out to all of my buckeye fans out there, right? but I grew up in a family business my entire life and what we did we had a landfill and a trash hauling business, which means we just had a giant hole in the ground and all the trash trucks. So I grew my entire life around dirt and big trucks and crescents and doing stuff like that so that I don't know when the first time it was, but I can remember very clearly just going to neighbor and being on the back of a garbage truck and picking up trash and for my entire life myself and my family we grew up very much with this entrepreneurial mindset, but also we get up at 5 a.m. everyday and then work and get home at 5, 6 7 pm everyday. Some very long days and I'm very grateful for that because it's taught me so much as carried those lessons that I learned growing up a family business have really carried over through my entire career which led me to studying call it a study on HR and recruiting  in college and then getting lots of different jobs through that where I was able to really network through people through twitter but also be able to really know the entire hiring process from beginning to end so I jump on to interviews. I jumped on phone interviews. I got to look at the types of people for applying to jobs. I am look at resumes and really they gave me a really good knowledge to know. what it's like to be out there in the job market, but one also takes to hire somebody at a company which spoiler it's, there’s a lot that goes into it, which I did not know until working in with HR and recruiting and long story short. I remember the final day, we sold our family business and like I said, that was a 12 plus hours a day that we had to work very often. And we were working that really long day and it gave me the opportunity to kind of sold that last day and move on to the next thing or think about what was next and locked and I ended up moving all the way to Austin Texas, which I now live in now, so also shout out to anybody who lives in the Austin Texas region and I came here without knowing really anybody. Also without having a job too so kind of like you mentioned Scott. I had to really put my feet down and start networking. And really putting myself out there which is why I did through like I've mentioned through Twitter and other types of stuff and all that came from a place for me when I was back in Ohio from being very grateful of what I had.


Scott: So I want to ask you about that here. But first I want to know because I don't think like I've ever asked you before like why what prompted you to move to Austin Texas with no job essentially know your connections or network or friends or essentially no support system in any way whatsoever like that for the average person is kind of a scary prospect in a lot of different ways. And and I think that you know, most people might not make that same decision. So I'm always curious why you made a different decision then what most people might what drew you to do that would cause you to do that.


Phillip: So originally what drew me to moving to a new place. Let me also say that it was just a scary and I was terrified the entire way to and what really drew me to moving to a completely new places that, I knew that one important factor for me, especially my career was growth. I thrive in different areas where I can really get to know an area. Our place or a bunch of people and where I also don't know a lot of people. I went to a college where I think I only knew one other person. I studied abroad in France. I didn't know anybody and I barely spoke any french that was that was a tough situation and I moved to Austin without support system either. But I knew the things that were important to me was being an environment where things were going on and people were doing things. I also knew that I kind of wanted to get a job in the tech field as well.


Scott: Yeah.


Phillip: So I knew Austin was a great place for that. I also got tired of the snow. I grew up with the snow my entire life, so it was time to move away from that and move now more towards the heat and I always heard great things about Texas and especially Austin and visit here for for a week. And I was like, okay this seems like the place and I can tend to be an over-thinker and over planer. So I had spreadsheets figured out of okay, here's how much the cost of living is. Here's how much punch my rental be. And things like that, but I thought about it for a really long time until I actually I had a career

coach push me to go and figure it out. And at the time I was like I was really scared because the biggest fear I had which is the small turnout was like I was so concerned about where I was going to get groceries at. Kept me up the whole night as a grim like, oh my God, where am I going to get groceries at? I have no idea. I’ve never been there before and even though I know Texas has grocery stores. I know Austin has grocery stores, but for some reason this is the biggest concern and she’s very clearly got me out of this peer coaches were going to she got me out of my head. It's like I just go. Try it out. Let's go down there. What's so what's the worst thing you can happen? Just go there for a week. See if you like it and come back and I did exactly that I came and tested things out. I met some people around here. I looked at different areas and as like if I can do this.


Scott: That is amazing. Love that and also I appreciate you sharing all the contacts and everything that occurred before because what I found it, actually you and I were just talking about this before we hit record to about anytime. Somebody has done something very difficult or anytime. Somebody is great at something. There's so much behind that and in this case you went to France you went like you've done a number of things leading up to this point even before making this type of decision and making it happen. So, appreciate you sharing that too and so here because my next question then you know once you got down there, how did you start to make things happen? Like you went down there? No roll no idea where the groceries were going to come from. Clearly you figured that part out but what did you do? Once you got down there? How did you connect with people? How did you get that first role? Tell us all the things Philip.


Phillip: One of the things that I did before actually going there is I started doing a lot of networking before I even moved on to Texas. So we do a lot of networking for people in Ohio, especially to the HR Community. One of those connections got me a connection in San Antonio who I met. And I mentioned to his name was Carlos and who I met him at a Starbucks in San Marcos,  which is in between Austin and San Antonio. And I was telling you my whole situation and he’s like when you think of somebody and i knew somebody here in Austin and I try to connect with her over email but I think at that time her name is Windy. She’s very busy she didn't have  time to get back with me. So Twitter comes again to save the day. I knew I could see from her tweet that day. She was at a job fair. That was just a block down for me. So I went and I visited her and there's context there to where I was like nervously pacing the entire event space because like oh my God, I gotta go and I had to go talk to her. I have to go talk to her and then I was just like did it two or three times and then okay, Thom, let's do this and I'd like feel myself up and I went and talked to her I said hi. Hi Windy. My name is Philip. You don't know me, but I know you but and then I just went through my kind of my steal my story. And I got an interview with her a couple days after that and ended up working a recruiting job with her and that was one of the ways of putting myself out there in very uncomfortable situations for me at the time where you can possibly wear off and doing it by myself and having the courage to just not be fearless because I definitely had all that fear. But same fear and then doing anyways. And that's how I found a grocery store is like I'm going to go try a couple places and I found one, i mean whole through the sound of here, so that was an easy one to figure out but I don't know why I stood up and looking back now. It was one of the smallest ones but finding resources and finding people and finding opportunities. I was just putting myself out there and really taking the chance and choosing myself and having a little bit of that courage as part of it as well.


Scott: Well I know that it progressed drastically from there too and you know, there's a continuation of this and when you and I first interacted and first met too, that was one of the first interaction, I got to see evidence of you reaching out and doing exactly that taking the chance on those not exactly way that you're describing and I would say at this point, you know, this is a bit after that original landing in Austin and everything else along those lines, but at this point I think that you've become pretty phenomenal at this as you practice this over a period of time and first of all one wanted to commend you for that and two I know that has helped with the rest of your career progression to it's getting some of the other thing we into your life that you really have one of those as well.


Phillip: Yeah, I remember our first reaction I sent you had a how people pronounce it that you guys can let me know in the audience if it's Jif or GIF but I remember sending you a little gifts of I remember Kermit he was typing and things like that. I'm like, hey Scott, I just sent you this type of thing and then I'd like it's hot off the presses and then here's current typing away as the very in my opinion hilarious GIF and it's kept always trying to be in contact, but always letting you know where I was at and was led me to also meeting you face to face in South by Southwest year, which was an amazing experience and I know we did mention this before we hit record to where I was South by Southwest event all day. I think it was an 8-hour days and I don't know how I saw it, but I saw that you're coming to Austin and I sent you an email like oh, hey, you're going to be in Austin. Let's make sure we meet up and,


Scott: It’s twitter


Phillip: It was. Yeah.


Phillip: You probably have to write based on the past experience. And I just remember getting their super early and I was like, I don't know what time he's coming on, but  he's going to be here. I know that. And which means I'm going to be there and if that means I have to be out here all day. That means I'm going to be out here all day and I think I got there early in the morning and didn't come on till likely in the afternoon maybe three or four and that was such a cool experience that I got to meet you. I got to meet your wife, got to be a couple other friends that we ended up really hanging out for the rest of the night and downtown Austin and having a really good experience where we both got the opportunity to meet each other, but also talk about careers talk about things where into at the time and again that was such a terrifying experience for me the entire time but I knew that was very important to me. So I knew that I had to put myself in that environment into that situation to get to talk to you.


Scott: And I think that you've that's one of the things that I've observed over the course of time. This is something that I think people can take away as well is what in order to get different opportunities doesn't necessarily to be here happen to your career or anything like that, but like any place around the world in order to get different opportunities than what most people will get you have to do and be willing to do different things and what most people are going to be willing to do and that's something I've seen time and again for you that you have been willing to do and it led towards different types of opportunities and relationships and all kinds of things throughout your life and your being you've been very modest and I think some of the things that people don't realizes that, you are also a career coach like you have your own business on the side, doing career coaching as well and you've been in such a variety of different types of industry and at the same time worked with such a variety of different people too that it gives you this really unique understanding across many different sectors in many different people and even different countries too with some of your experiences and I think that, that is super cool and to be quite frank and honest that's one of the reasons why I was interested back and then having you on our team because that is something that we need but I think that it does something else too. I know we're going to talk about some of the things that you've observed. I think it gives you that big picture understanding, which allows you to be able to connect with people on a completely different level and so many different types of people too and that's part of the reason why we have you in the type of roll you know, helping our students and people who are incoming into our programs, set them up for success and get aligned with the right type of help and everything else as well, but I'm curious what you have observed as you have been on so many different calls with people and what are the biggest challenges the most common challenges they're experiencing and they're coming into this and they're thinking about making a career change and trying to decide how they're going to make that happen, which isn't easy at all? You know, and they're in that kind of thought space.


Phillip: Yeah and from jumping on the conversations it's been a lot of fun tickets got the opportunity to connect with a lot of different individuals coming from lots of different scenarios, all over the world in different countries. And through that experience I’ve been able to really see. I think three challenges that people are going through and the easiest way to really put it is I still like the first one is what's next mentality where they've been taking all these tests. And try to figure out what might be that next scenario even taking BuzzFeed questions and quizzes. I don't know if you taking those before Scott or how many taken if just told you what type of how she'll be in at Hogwarts or which character you most like it like at on the friends show.


Scott: Oh I'm lost.


Phillip: but, are you?


Scott: I don't either.


Phillip: Okay, but it's really trying to figure out how do you translate all of those skills that you have? In to find a great career that you're also excited about and I think about one that called house on with you that and that was exactly what she was going through. And how she dealt with all this information but she's kind of unsure what to do with it. She had all this knowledge. But no way of putting it into you know action and putting it out in the real world. And that makes me think of another person another call and another challenge that we and I have seen it time and time again when jumping on calls with these great people and it's what's important now and what’s it's important now might have been what not important, you know to you ten years ago and really moving down that track and not sure how to change into what that new thing might possibly be and not also knowing what’s out there there too and wanting a job, you know for people maybe starting their careers two or three years ago, 10 years ago. What might important to you then can completely change now and also recognizing those subtle differences and be able to honor those within yourself, but also be able to articulate express them to possibly what the next thing might be. And really that’s the third one to of trying to figure out what's out there? I was thinking of Sophia. I was on a call with her last week, and she wasn't trying to fit she didn't know who's out there. She felt like she was in this sea of possibilities and is more about eliminating the limiting the things that might not work and she didn't really even know what was possibly realistic and it really comes from the point of and I think we've had expressed this to my story but really stories I’m hearing from a lot of people is the ability to choose yourself and the difference between living of choosing yourself figuring out what might be important to you and what those options might be versus existing and that just means of just taking what's with coming but really always coming from a point of value and what you might going after what you really want versus what you perceive is available to you.


Scott: So let me ask you about these. So first of all, I really like the length of breaking these into three different areas. What's next what is important now as opposed to in the past? And then what's out there or understand what's out there, what can be out there? And so here's my question, you know in totally get the first one in terms of hey, look I understand  that I want to do something different. I've made that decision. I know that I need to do something different. I've got all the information from like taking strengthsfinder and MPTI and all of these other things and then you know, I'm a Gryffindor. So,

like we got to factor that in as well and how do you translate that into one person? I totally get that one in terms of that particular challenge and trying to take and understand how to move that in to something that's going to be useful but I'm curious about the what's important now because that's something that I've observed quite a bit as well. Like you've you know, I know you mentioned one of the conversations that you'd had in particular but the thing that I see again and again and people have gotten on this track they got on the track somehow, sometimes it's from you know, they had a set of family members that have done the same sort of thing or their uncle Bobby told them that it be great if you move if you were an attorney and or they like my wife became a teacher because her whole family is teachers and that's what she knows and everything like that and she's not eating anymore at this point or at least not in the same way. But like that stuff kind of for all intents and purposes how that happened. We see that type of story again and again, but what happened to 10 years down the road. When, what was it important to you that has changed and you have had kids or you have an ill parent or you have had life circumstances that have caused you to realize that you want something different. Like how do you  not just get up and move to a new role, newndustry or something like that, but something that reflects what you actually now want and sometimes it seems like there's an identity change that goes on with that because you've been on this like you're so far down this track in some way that it feels like you just have to keep going.


Phillip: Yeah. I completely  agree with that and it's so much more about figuring out in real life what those things are important to you and getting out of your own head in a certain way too, right?


Scott: Yeah.


Phillip: Where many ways you feel like it's you feel like you stink should still be important to you where you feel like they were important to me then why can't they still be important now and you bring up a really great point Scott, which is life happens, things change. And you change as a person. You might have been at the time maybe starting out in your career even in that new job really valuing growth. But now since you've done the job, you've gone all the medals you've risen up in the company. Now it's more about wanting to own more of your time. And so maybe now you value more time flexibility or maybe you've been just sitting in traffic a lot and you just don't want to be in traffic anymore. So it's I think it really comes down to trying things out and real life and figuring out what are those new values that you have or what are new things that now have become important to you.


Scott: So let me ask you about that in the next one the wet out there pace because I think that there is this huge I observe and you can tell me if you see the same thing or not with this conversation that we had here with people it seems like there's a big gap in between there in some ways like I'm in the place where I recognize that what's important to me now is different than what was important to me then but I'm still on this set of train tracks going down this particular road, and I'm not sure how to move from one track to another but I don't even recognize like I don't even know how many different train tracks there are. And like how many trains come on those tracks and do they fork off at different places? Like I don't and I don't even know what I don't know and and I think at that point, one of the things that I observe is that people feel like they have to choose. As you said what's available to order them or what they think is available to them instead of choosing what they actually want and doing the work to figure out. What is it they actually really legitimately want and then going and getting that and something you said before we actually recorded really kind of resonated with me. We're talking about it an earlier conversation and you were talking about the different in living versus existing and I feel like that's sort of that paradox is like choosing from what's available to you versus what you really want. So help me understand what you mean when you said that living versus existing?.


Phillip: Yeah, and it really comes of going back to really what you want right? It's and what's important to you and living for the types of careers that you went in the types of work that you want to do and the type of people that you want to be working with. In many ways living comes from the choosing what's important to you and really going after that and that comes from not doing all that work to really ask yourself and know those answers to those questions versus existing rather than just I'm now in this junk because I chose this major 10 years ago because at that time this is where all the jobs I remember growing up, especially when I was first going in the college. The whole thing with Turf Management people wanted to go into Turf Management because that's where the job for and now all the people who went off to study Turf Management. And just for context Turf Management is all the AstroTurf on the football field that they said this would be this huge thing. All these people who studied that in school are no longer don't have jobs that anymore. I think one of them, you know working on the farm and things like that, but the point is that instead of figuring out those types of things. He was just kind of taking life as it he gave it to more. That what’s I’m observing all these calls are people are choosing what Uncle Bobby like you're saying what Uncle Bobby told them to do a bunch a while back and they realized that nope I don't like that thing as much as I used to or I thought was good. I think that's really difference between living and existing. living for a life that you want and a career that you want rather than existing that one that was chosen for you or what was available at the time.


Scott: Okay, so then here becomes a question because I think that we've all been in that place at some point of time. Like that happens to everybody and you know when people are finding themselves in one of these places with one of these challenges that we've identified. What next or what was important now versus 10 years ago or you know trying to identify really what is out there when you don't even know what is actually out there. What advice would you have to help them with these three challenges?


Phillip: I really think the first one is  leaning into your curiosities and I would like to think about this is Gino when you were ever in classes or if you were ever the next time your classroom or if you're in there one right now of the people who sit in the front rows of other classes in the second row.


Scott: Yeah.


Phillip: I have think of those type of people and I was also that type of person and I'm also the type of person who was like, hey professor. Did you forget to give us our homework? So I don't know if I've always the favorite person that class. I don't know


Scott: We didn’t even meet in college


Phillip: But I was like thinking about it sitting in the front row  of your life. \


Scott: Yeah.


Phillip: Being super excited about what really your trace about. If you love scuba diving just go after scuba diving really like leaves the stuff out. You might meet somebody there who has some ideas about. Hey, maybe my trying to stick my trancing. What the point that is just getting out there and leaning more into the things that you’ve really in love the joy, enjoy it and really like doing I think another great piece of advice is being ridiculously helpful. I remember back when I was networking in Ohio. I had a mentor at the time he was talking about networking and I know networking has all those horrible conditions with it, but he mentioned that people only network when they need something and people only really do that when they actually they need help. But I think a good piece of ice is making sure that you're being helpful also to other people and not just networking when you need it. But being helpful to anybody be people are helpful to people out there to those are where opportunities to help grow and contribute or often overlooked and this is what I have seen a lot in the coast to of just volunteering may be helping others. That's where opportunities can possibly come from. And I think the last piece of good advice is this is something that I've mentioned a lot is really getting out of your own head and starting to take action. I know this often comes from the perfectionism mindset, which you've done a great job of talking from on this podcast and through every a lot of your happen to your content. But I would think about it and this is the way I was to tell myself is today in your head. You're dead, right? You have to get out of your own head. And start taking action in real life, but can often think that our ideas are really great in our head or like myself or I was really fearful to move all the way across the country to Austin, Texas. I had no idea where any of the grocery stores were but until I actually came and said all right, I can okay. There's a grocery store. I can figure this out. There's a road over there. Coming here and an actually living it breathing the air and figuring out. I can make it work to getting out of your head and really start doing action now.


Scott: I love that. One of our past podcast guest and used to work with us your Happen To Your Career is marked secret wrap and he one of the things that mark test all the time at that goes hand-in-hand with what you're talking about Phillip is he retells the story of like, you know, I  love like jokingly behind the scenes and you say anything like I love to build this company. However, you know, and then I want to like grow it to you a hundred million dollars and but here's the problem like I start thinking about all of the the airplanes that I need to buy in the corporate jet that going to fly me back and forth and where am I going to get a pilot? Like, oh my goodness. Like what did I like? How am I even gonna find the pilot? And then none of that stuff matters whatsoever. And  especially it doesn't matter. If you're not taking that first step forward like in your case of that example that gave you know getting down there for a little bit to Austin, Texas and seeing that hey Texas has grocery stores too


Phillip: Yeah.


Scott: It’s crazy it’s a sounds but then taking that first step and moving forward and you know, I know you reference perfectionism and we've done several episodes on this including airing some of our own personal conversations behind the scenes about perfectionism. There’s some other things that we struggle with on our team and that was an episode 233, but we also detailed out some really specific strategies. I think six of them in total and in episode 226. I can really help with perfectionism and being able to get out of your head and make them moved off in Texas or whatever it is for you and your world. Love that example that you bring that up probably more than once from here on out.


Phillip: And more than if you want to come move down to Austin, Texas. Everybody is totally free. I will take you to all the great barbecue and Taco places here,


Scott: Oh, my goodness, yes, that is happening because I don't think we got to go to any last time as in town.


Phillip: We did not.


Scott: Oh, my goodness, Phillip hey. I so appreciate one you taking the time and coming on. I know that you've got a ton of people to meet with and a whole bunch of projects that were working on behind the scenes for places here our student. So I you taking the time and making it and coming and sharing some of the advice and what you're observing  for all of our listeners here at Happen To Your Career it’s just something that I really appreciate and I also appreciate it because you have this unique perspective since you're in these calls every single day where people are coming to us and asking the question like how do I figure out what's next and how do I jump to a different track when I know that something is important now to me and it wasn't, you know, 10 years ago and how I'm looking at that as changed and how do I figure out what else is out there? And these are not easy questions to answer in the first place and thank you for doing that type of work first of all on our team, but then second of all, you know, this is the stuff that very much matters in one of the ways we get to contribute a job in the world. So I really appreciate it.


Phillip: Thank you.