421: Being Happy in an Exhausting Job

Go from faking happiness to a fulfilling career


Laura Morrison, Senior Product Manager

Laura is a technical product, project, business, and people manager with 10+years of experience helping companies solve customer and business challenges.

on this episode

Many of us get exhausted. Maybe it’s because of a lack of sleep. Maybe it’s from working too much or too hard. Maybe it’s from stress.

You know the feeling – you get done with work, mindlessly drive home, and all you want to do is sit on the couch and eat pizza.

If you don’t know what that’s like (or you don’t like pizza), you’re in the minority.

However, most of us have experienced this draining feeling.

But being exhausted doesn’t mean that it has to be a negative in your life.

Laura Morrison was used to being exhausted from her job.

She made a career change to a job that provided her meaning and fulfillment.

Laura was still exhausted, but it was different now.

“Whereas I would leave work before exhausted because I was bored. I was kind of frustrated with myself for continuing to be bored. So, I still leave work exhausted. It’s just that now the exhaustion is from kind of flexing my brain and personal development and kind of much more excitement about the work that I’m doing and being invested in it.”

Laura comes back on the podcast to share her experiences since making her career change about 18 months ago.

Not only does she talk about what she calls “happy exhausted,” she also talks about the struggles of having a newborn and the shift in her priorities. This shift occurred from deeper self-awareness and led to another career change.

Listen to the episode today to hear the details of her story and see what it’s really like after making a like-impacting career change.

What you’ll learn

  • The ways a growing family changes your growth curve
  • The time it takes to get comfortable with a new role
  • How to adjust to a new role that’s different from what your expected
  • Why sometimes exhaustion is not necessarily a bad thing
  • What it means to thrive

Laura Morrison 00:03

Yeah. I think it's a happy exhausted. That manifests itself in a lot of ways. So, I'm really busy, but I'm also very happy, which means I'm focused on other parts of my life, and improving those areas.

Introduction 00:19

This is the Happen To Your Career podcast, with Scott Anthony Barlow. We help you stop doing work that doesn't fit you, figure out what does and make it happen. We help you define the work that's unapologetically you, and then go get it. If you're ready to make a change, keep listening. Here's Scott. Here's Scott. Here's Scott.

Scott Anthony Barlow 00:43

Over the next several months[a], we're going to be bringing some past guests back on the podcast to be able to catch up with them and show you in the series that we call, "where are they now", how things have changed since we last had them on the show. Because one of the things that we've realized, as we've talked about it behind the scenes is, a lot of times when you hear the stories that we've shared on the podcast, you just get a snapshot on in time, and you don't realize how much one intentional career change and going through the effort to learn how to make a really intentional career change that lines much more with your strengths, and what you want out of life and work. Going through all that effort to be able to make that happen, it doesn't just change your job once, it changes how you look at it for your entire life. Yesterday[b], I shared Laura Morrison story from last time she was on the podcast. And if you haven't listened to that, definitely go back in your podcast feed, find yesterday's episode, and it will be so much more helpful to fill in her initial story as she made a really amazing transition. And if you've already listened to that, then you already know how she made a really compelling transition. And not only increased her salary, but at the same time found work that really allowed her to grow in the ways that she needed the most, and still continue to be flexible for her family and serve the other areas of her life in what she wanted. Very, very cool, right? But we brought her back on the Happen To Your Career podcast to help you see what's happened since then, how has her life progressed after she did the hard work of making this initial change, and learn how to do that for her life and work. Now, here's something that is really interesting about Laura. And you may have already picked this up in the first conversation, Laura is not somebody who was unaware of herself. In fact, she was very self aware. But she's done such a nice job taking that to a much, much deeper level and really doing that hard work of defining what she wants and needs most. And that has paved the way for her to be able to get into not just a great situation, but continue to modify that situation, continue to evolve that situation for what her life and work looks like and feels like right now. As Laura and I started our conversation today, she's telling me a little bit about how she has a new three year old and sharing some of those struggles.

Laura Morrison 03:21

That's right. Yeah, I have a three-and-a-half-month old named Simon. So, my second child, which is very exciting.

Scott Anthony Barlow 03:27

It's very exciting. And I think the other thing that you told me is that you are surprised the length of the time that it now takes to get out the door with multiple children in tow.

Laura Morrison 03:40

Yeah, absolutely. It's like some sort of scheduling and coordination challenge every time.

Scott Anthony Barlow 03:44

Oh my goodness yes, speaking of learning and growth, there's a whole separate growth curve right there, right?

Laura Morrison 03:50


Scott Anthony Barlow 03:52

Laura, what was going on in your world, the last time we got the opportunity to chat?

Laura Morrison 03:58

So, the last time we chatted, I think my first day at work with the next week at my new role. So, a year and a half later[c], I've kind of been a product manager, and which is a new role for me. But what got me to that point where we're talking a year and a half ago was several years of just being feeling like my job didn't fit me very well anymore. And even though on paper, it was a good job, I had a lot of responsibility, my current career trajectory looked good, kind of unhappy, and I wasn't happy for at least three years[d] where I got stuck was I didn't know what to do with that information. I didn't know what type of role I would be happy in. I didn't know if it was working general that made me unhappy, or the type of work I was doing. And so, I kind of sat in that for a little too long, until I found Happen To Your Career. So, through that process, I think you're right, about seven or eight months[e] I started to discover more about the types of roles I'd be interested in and was able to pivot from an engineering consulting type position to a product manager position.

Scott Anthony Barlow 05:04

Which is pretty amazing in itself and if you haven't given yourself a ton of credit for that, that is awesome. It was really cool to be able to have a bit of a front row seat to that happening. But I'm curious what, since that point in time, you pivot it, like we had the chat you went in to work, a year and a half another kid, all this stuff has happened. What else are some of the major points that have occurred since then? What else has happened in your life and career? Catch us up for just a minute or two.

Laura Morrison 05:35

Yeah, I think, career wise, I was surprised. I mean, that I guess surprise is a little strong word. But I didn't expect that it would take so long for me to feel comfortable in a new role, having been in a position where I knew exactly what I used to do all the time, so much so that I was bored. And then going from that to new company, new role kind of high paced environment. It was a lot of kind of struggle, and I was really happy to have made the change. But then I was working really hard to figure out. Okay, how do I become an expert in this new position? How do I learn all of the things? And there's a lot of things in a product management role, if anyone's familiar with one, so that I could feel like I was really thriving again, in a new place. So, year and a half[f], I've launched and then responsible for launching a new product, software product at the company. I've worked with handful of different Scrum teams or engineers who build the software, with various focuses, kind of moving from new product development to thinking about retention goals, and really just learning how to understand the customer perspective, how to make sure the entire organization knows what you're up to. ‘Cause in kind of a world of product management, you're making decisions that affect a lot of people. And it's important that those people understand why and aren't surprised when things change, and things change all the time. So really, I feel like I've spent the last year and a half kind of owning that role and getting up to speed on how to be a successful product manager and how to navigate all of the nuances of that.

Scott Anthony Barlow 07:15

Let me ask you about that. Because obviously, many of the people that are listening right now are considering different types of occupations, different types of careers, and trying to decide for themselves what really is truly right for them. So, from Product Manager, there's a lot of people out there that probably don't necessarily, that maybe have an idea of what product manager is on regular basis or does. But can you provide just a little bit more context? Or maybe even some of the things that surprised you that you didn't know that a project manager did and you got to find out and learn over the last year?

Laura Morrison 07:51

Yeah, well, I mean, I was one of those people who didn't know what a product manager was, I saw it popping up on more and more friends LinkedIn profile titles, but really didn't know myself. So, a product manager in particular, a software product manager is responsible for setting kind of the goals and the roadmap for the software, and then turning in those kind of translating those business goals into work products that the software engineers can develop and put out into the world. So, there's a couple of things in that one of them is, in order to understand what you should build, you really need to understand the customer. And you can do that through data analytics, we have data that shows how many times people clicked on different buttons at the software. And probably more importantly, you talk to a lot of clients or customer facing departments, people on the ground to kind of feel the pain and have this customer empathy. And I mentioned kind of the cross-team communication as well, because I went from a manager role to an individual contributor role. But what's interesting about product management is that you need to be an influential leader. Since you don't know and reports to you, but you have to be able to, have everyone kind of rally around you and your vision so that you can get the work done that needs to be done.

Scott Anthony Barlow 09:10

It seems like from most of the product managers that I've interacted with, and a lot of different industries and companies, some of them have teams, but most of them do not in a lot of different ways and it seems like that influencing piece and project management type piece is very key. Is that fair? Is that a... I'm outside looking in. But would you agree with that? And if so, where?

Laura Morrison 09:36

Yeah, I totally agree with the influencing part, I would say I was a project manager in my last role. What's different about product management is that in projects, they talk about waterfall, but the idea is that you have chunks of work that's dependent on other work, and you look really far out in advance, with a lot of product management are agile product development, your time to move much quicker than that. So, you don't actually wanna know what's happening in six months, you're trying to react really quickly to what's going on. So, you can make changes quickly, test things, see if they're working. If they're not working, try something else. And the idea is you don't wanna invest a ton of time and money and energy and something for six months to find out six months later, it was the wrong place to put your bets. So, you’re kind of moving much more quickly in that way. And it's been a shift for me to stop thinking like a project manager and try to start thinking like a product manager.

Scott Anthony Barlow 10:31

That's interesting. Something I heard you say, maybe two or three minutes ago was about getting back to that point where you were, you called it thriving. And one of the things that I recall from some of our conversations over the last, however long it's been, was that one thing that you were really adamantly wanting was that additional challenge. And I'm almost hearing like you got exactly what you wanted. But be careful what you wish for a little bit. So, help me understand, what about that was wonderful for you? And what about that was different than you anticipated when you set about saying, "Hey, I definitely want a new and different challenge" ‘cause in some ways, it sounds like you got exactly that.

Laura Morrison 11:22

Exactly. Yeah, I think be careful what you wish for is a good one. What's interesting, people ask about the kind of the work and is an incredibly challenging job. It's a really high paced environment that I work in, really high expectations on individuals and teams. And, of course, that can be really trying. But I really enjoy that. I'm being challenged and I'm exhausted, because I'm working hard. And I'm learning every day. And that there's always room for improvement. Whereas I would leave work before exhausted because I was bored. I was kind of frustrated with myself for continuing to be bored. So, I still leave work exhausted. It's just that now the exhaustion is from kind of flexing my brain and personal development and kind of much more excitement about the work that I'm doing and being invested in it.

Scott Anthony Barlow 12:14

What do you feel like is the difference from your perspective and how that feels? Because at the end of the day, all (I shouldn't say all) most routes going through life are hard, most work of many different types is hard in one way or another. A lot of the times it can be exhausting. But you're describing two different types of exhaustion. So, I'm curious, in your mind, what is the difference in the feeling associated with those two different types of exhaustion?

Laura Morrison 12:47

Yeah. I think it's a happy exhausted or depressed exhausted, right. So, I think that manifests itself in a lot of ways. So, I'm really busy, but I'm also very happy, which means I'm focused on other parts of my life, and improving those areas, like, taking care of myself, exercising, eating better. Any sort of personal development, I feel like I have more of an appetite for because I'm in a different brain space where I'm happy at work, I'm challenged at work, I proud of the work I'm doing and the learning. So that's kind of counter to the state I was in before where I was really, I was almost getting down on myself for not making a change so much so that it impacts the rest of my life because I was feeling, I loss of confidence, loss of motivation, kind of just generally discouraged overall.

Scott Anthony Barlow 13:40

That's really interesting. That's a really interesting observation. It almost sounds like the period of time beforehand, it was that type of exhaustion was almost taking over everything. Where, now you're describing still, like, at the end of the day, that more happy exhaustion, but you also mentioned in the same sentence, being able to focus on other areas of your life too versus it just having completely, take over. Is that accurate how I'm perceiving it? And two, what else would you add to that?

Laura Morrison 14:14

Yeah, I mean, it's definitely accurate, I think more that I have the motivation to kind of improve other parts of my life as well. I'd say whether or not work takes over maybe a little. I think about work more than I'm in the office, for sure. Most of the time, I leave work and go home, and I wanna finish whatever it was I was doing. Sometimes it's because there's, a deadline or pressure, but most of the time, it's because I actually just wanna get it done and see it through. So, there's, I have to be a little careful with myself and two young kids to make sure I can shut it down at the door and at least for a few hours. But, yeah, I think there's just something about, if you're happy at work, or if you feel proud of the work you're doing, I think that just spills over into your confidence and in your life in general.

Scott Anthony Barlow 15:06

That's really interesting. So, when you said the words back to thriving earlier, what did you mean, when you use that word thriving? What does that mean in your mind?

Laura Morrison 15:16

To me, I've always been a high achiever, and I set really high goals for myself. From school to work, and in the previous job, I was a top performer, I got promotions, every few years, I had all these opportunities and I think a lot of the thriving, now that I'm striving for is, kind of more just confidence in myself and my abilities. That I can be an expert in a senior product manager and I’ve gotta have all the skills and knowledge to kind of do the job well, where I spent my, at least eight years[g] in my last career, so I had eight years to perfect that and now it's been a year and a half. So, there's always some of that feeling of, “Oh, I haven't done this my whole career, maybe I'm missing something.” But the more I've learned, and the more I spend time with other people in product management roles, I think I realized that the struggles are role related, as opposed to me related. And I would say in the beginning, that was something I really struggled with, is this hard because I need to do something different? Is this hard because that's the role is hard? Or is this hard because of some other factor, like the company situation. And so, being able to untangle that has been really helped me feel more confident as well.

Scott Anthony Barlow 16:37

How much do you think that is related to… well, let me give you some context before I asked the question. I heard you say earlier about, hey, well, I keep thinking about some of the work and I want to get it done is something that I want to push forward. So that indicates to me that some of those things are things that you care about in one way or the other, right? So how much do you think that for you, those challenges are there because you care about the work or what happens with it or something in one way or another versus if that weren't a problem, there would probably be a different problem if you didn't care about the work, maybe that was more in the last situation, and I'm sure. But tell me separate how you're thinking about that?

Laura Morrison 17:28

Yes, it's interesting. I think, personally, I tend to feel a lot of accountability towards other people. So, I don't wanna let myself down. But I also don't want to let other people down. And in a role in an organization where there's never enough time in the day for everything. I think part of that is driving me to wanna wrap things up. But I also would say that I don't think I could be a product manager of every type of company. I think the reason I can do it, where I am now is because I am passionate about the mission of the company, the work that we're doing, and I really believe in it. And I don't think that I would be happy in this role if that weren't the case, because it is a hard role that is challenging, and kind of takes up a lot of my brain space in and out of the office.

Scott Anthony Barlow 18:18

Yeah. Interesting. Totally different question. But I'm curious, as you have gotten the opportunity to learn more and more of what creates more fulfilling work for you, and I've heard you mentioned, and allude to a few of those pieces that create that more meaningful and more fulfilling work for you on an ongoing basis. But how has that understanding impacted your life, your family, your work? Over the last year and a half[h].

Laura Morrison 18:46

I think, I mentioned that being happy in my career has kind of opened a lot of doors for me mentally outside of the office, focusing on kind of being the best parent I can or taking care of myself. So that's definitely a big change. I think it also kind of just helps... it helps me think about, what I want next in my career, so I know that I enjoy roles where I can have a seat at the table where I can make decisions. That's something I've kind of learned about myself in general. So, I like being in charge, for better or worse, right. So, just even knowing that little bit, and that's something I actually learned kind of through some of the tools at my organization kind of switched on its heels what I thought about myself, right. I thought that I really was motivated. And I even said this already by people. But it's a different thing, I don't necessarily wanna hang out and meet new people all the time, that stresses me out, it doesn't always fulfill me, it drains me in different way. But when I get to kind of work with people on ideas that I'm passionate about, or when I get to have a seat at the table, that's when I get energy. So, all that self-awareness is really kind of impacted how I approach work. And it's also something I can come back to and I say, is this still true? Does this role still meet those needs that I have from kind of just what I enjoy doing at work?

Scott Anthony Barlow 20:15

That's really interesting. I think, something that's very subtle and can be lost easily in the conversation, I just wanna take a moment to both provide some context as well as ask you a few questions about one of the... I hear you starting getting into some of the layers underneath the people aspect, because you said, hey, I originally thought that I was really motivated by interacting with people and that's partially true, but only in certain circumstances. And once you get into the layers, and the context surrounding that, that really starts to give you more and more of those keys is what I'm hearing. But I wanted to provide just a little bit additional context to what we see, because I think it can be easily missed, a lot of times, we'll get people that are just a few years into their career all the way to $350,000 income earning executives that will talk to and both of them will say things like, “Hey, I've got these strengths and I really want to help people more.” And that's a lot of times where the conversation starts. But it really gets you closer and closer and closer to creating an ideal life and ideal career, the more that you understand that nuance. So, before I ask my question, I just wanna give you a compliment, because you've done a really great job, both the point in time when we got the opportunity to work with you. And then through the last year and a half understanding that nuance more and more and more. So, here’s my actual question, what advice would you give other people that want to understand more of that context and nuance? Because it always is slightly different than what you set out thinking it might be just like in your case here.

Laura Morrison 21:55

Yeah. One of the exercises I did with you, and the program was kind of write down the moments in your day that make you happy, and maybe some of the ones that don't, right? And try to start to untangle, what is it about that meeting that you enjoyed, or didn't enjoy, right? It's not… not all meetings are the same. Is it that you were with people that you know and have a great relationship with versus people you've never met before, was it that you felt like you couldn't contribute or for other circumstances you couldn't? So, what is it about those kinda day-to-day life and work moments? And there's you, probably hundreds within a day, that kind of either pump you up or kind of push you down. And if you can start looking at those and categorizing them, you might be able to see kind of how the situations are different from a different lens.

Scott Anthony Barlow 22:50

That's super insightful. So, what else have you learned over the last year and a half[i], then that falls in to that category about yourself where you're like, “You know, I thought it was this.” But it's really more about that or as I understand the deeper layers, it's really specifically about this. What's an example of that for you?

Laura Morrison 23:11

See, so I think one which is similar to what I just said, is that I really enjoy people, but only after I've built a relationship with them. So, meeting new people, or the idea of that standard networking, where you go and just talk to a lot of strangers, really not my cup of tea. But if I can have a genuine conversation with someone for five minutes, then I'm completely comfortable all of a sudden. And what that meant, for me from a career standpoint is I can see, there are obviously situations where I need to be out in front with clients and people I don't know. But knowing that allows me to build in some processes that helped me get over that initial kind of hesitation. So, setting up meetings in advance, kind of doing a little research about someone, so I have more of a connection with them, instead of just having a walk up blind and introduce myself. So, it's not that I don't have to do those kinds of harder situations for me. But it's that I am aware that those are hard. And instead of trying to avoid them all the time, I can be more intentional about how to navigate that more successfully.

Scott Anthony Barlow 24:25

That's super cool. And what I hear you saying is maybe even example of how to work within your strengths versus instead of you going to all the networking events and saying, I just got to do this, this is something I just gonna do, I'm just got to get better at it. Instead, you've adopted a completely different approach, and said, hey, I know that meeting new people is important and that goal is important. Or maybe I need to meet specific people, but I can work around it with my strengths and something you do amazingly well, is connecting with people one on one in very… with very insightful conversation, and you're really great observation only, and you come off as, really genuine. And so, what I hear you saying...

Laura Morrison 25:11

Oh, thank you.

Scott Anthony Barlow 25:11

Yeah, absolutely. And meant to be a compliment.

Laura Morrison 25:13

Yeah, absolutely.

Scott Anthony Barlow 25:14

But I think the more that you have been able to observe that about yourself, what I hear you saying is that you can work with that rather than against it and develop processes that work that don't push you into those areas of your, I don't know whatever you wanna call it, weaknesses, we don't believe that there are weaknesses but more anti strengths or things that are not strengths, necessarily. When you think about your role, and you think about over the last year and a half, what else have you observed that it’s just a much better fit with your strengths overall? And just gave me maybe one or two examples of what that looks like.

Laura Morrison 25:56

So, it's easier to explain based on where I was before, versus now. So, the difference, I think, but I was in a client facing consulting role before. And anytime a client said something, it felt like you had to drop everything and respond and that they had to be correct. And I mentioned, I like to be the one who makes decisions. So that kind of ate away at me a little bit. I'd kind of be muttering under my breath. That I don't think this is the right decision. I don't think this is important and try to explain my point, but at the end of the day, have to kind of go ahead and appease the client. So now that I'm not in a direct client facing role, I get to make decisions based on stakeholder input, of course, but at the end of the day, the decision is kind of mine if I can just fight with data and kind of rationale, and that I find really fun and empowering. And while I get to have a kind of a more fun relationship with clients, where I can talk to them about kind of what they want, and what they need without having to answer to that specific individual directly. Is that makes sense?

Scott Anthony Barlow 27:05

That makes a ton of sense. That resonates with everything else I know about you, too. That's amazing. So, let's go the completely opposite way for just a second here. I want you to go way back to that point in time, maybe even three years ago from now, or two years ago[j], where you were in that other role and you already knew that you needed to get out of it. But we're trying to figure out what to do or how to go about it or what you shouldn't even be doing. So now that you're in that mindset for just a second, good or bad, then I want to just ask you, what advice would you give to other people that are in that place right now where they know that they could make a change and want to make a change? And what should they do based on your experience and what you've seen and what you've observed?

Laura Morrison 28:02

Yeah, I think it sounds kind of cliché, but be brave. And make sure that you feel like you deserve it. And if you don't feel like you deserve career happiness, try to figure out why. And I think one of the things that happened kind of outside of our conversations, and before I had found Happen To Your Career was that I was kind of just feeling down all around. And the thing that actually kicked me into gear to feeling more confident and more like I deserved something different was that kind of I did the whole 30, which is a diet and it sounds kind of cheesy, but basically, I lost weight after having my daughter and felt like myself again. I think for women in particular, having kids can kind of mess with all sorts of things physically and emotionally. And so, it’s the first time I felt like myself, and then because I felt like myself again, I was ready to act on what I knew I deserved. But I don't think I could have felt that. I don't think I would have been ready for something like Happen To Your Career if I hadn't first taken control of this other part of my life.

Scott Anthony Barlow 29:10

That's really interesting. I don't think we've talked about that ever. And I think that's… Again, see, here you go being super insightful. Again, you can't even help it. But I think, people do experience that again and again. And one, here's one of the crazy things that we see because I'm a data junkie. And love the Science and the research and the psychology behind the lot of what we get to do, the work with people. But we see again and again, that often the people who we work with that are most successful the most quickly, are those people that have done exactly what you done, where they are coming off some other type of small success or even large success, or change in some way in their life, and have a little bit of confidence, or it's a win that has been associated with that. And that just, I think you put it really well. Making sure that you feel like you're in a place where you feel like you deserve it. That is awesome.

Laura Morrison 30:06

Yeah. Because it's a lot of work right, then this, if you're not committed or you don't feel like you deserve it, it's so easy to just say, well, I'll wait another day, and that day becomes a year. But you have to be brave enough and feeling deserving enough to take the plunge and then dedicate some time and energy to it.

Scott Anthony Barlow 30:24

Laura, this has been absolutely amazing. I'm always excited to chat with you. But this is...

Laura Morrison 30:30

Right back at you.

Scott Anthony Barlow 30:31

Yeah, absolutely. This has been a lot of fun. Thank you so much for making the time and taking the time amongst everything else with multiple kids and roll that is semi new in the last year and a half and everything else that's going on. I appreciate it.

Laura Morrison 30:44


Scott Anthony Barlow 30:46

Hey, many of the stories that you've heard on the podcast are from listeners that have decided they wanted to take action, and taking the first step of having a conversation with our team to try and figure out how we can help. And if you want to implement what you have heard, and you want to completely change your life and your career, then let's figure out how we can help. So here's what I would suggest, just open your phone right now and open your email app. And I'm going to give you my personal email address, scott@happentoyourcareer.com just email me and put 'Conversation' in the subject line. And then when you do that, I'll introduce you to the right person on our team. And you can have a conversation with us, we'll try and understand your goals and what you want to accomplish in your career no matter where you're at. And we can figure out the very best way that we can help you and your situation. So open up right now and send me an email with 'Conversation' in the subject line; scott@happentoyourcareer.com.

Scott Anthony Barlow 31:56

Since I started this podcasting company way back in 2013[k], we've worked with so many people that have spent years or even decades, climbing to the top of the corporate ladder, only to realize it's not what they really want, or that they have checked off all their goals been promoted very fast, taking all of the jobs had been put in front of them done an amazing job. And it's no longer what they want. And they're faced with a decision, stay in role they worked so hard for or leave it and start over. Now, if you're like me, that sounds like a terrible choice. Fortunately, there are so many other options that actually work far better than either of these two that I just presented.


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Scott Anthony Barlow 32:57

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