255: How Momentum and Mini Celebrations Left Kristy Sipping Wine for a Living



  A slight breeze cools your skin as you sit in the afternoon sun. In the distance, you hear words you don’t recognize, a melodic language just faint enough that you can’t identify the specifics of its European roots. Instead of turning to identify the voice, your gaze wanders over the grape fields in the expanse below. You trace the rows with your eyes, curious which trees are responsible for the wine you’ve been swirling in your glass. You take your time sipping on this glassful, guessing at its tasting notes, as you decided to ask the in-house sommelier which mezze to pair with this varietal. These unhurried moments are as delectable as the wine itself. You can’t help but think, “This. Is. The. Life.”    


  If you were transported in the story above, you may have imagined yourself retired or on vacation. Surely that kind of life couldn’t be a career, right? WRONG.   Let me tell you a story about my friend Kristy. Kristy signed up for Happen To Your Career emails a few years ago. After almost two decades of working in marketing and PR for an industry that wasn’t particularly thrilling, she knew it was time for a change. Kristy read a few emails, listened to the podcast, and passively dreamed of living a career she loved. She’d heard of people going on sabbatical for career self-discovery, so at one point, she and her family packed their bags for a european adventure. Like many of our students, she took flight seeking an Aha moment. But after a while, she landed back home, still unsure of what she wanted and how to get it.    


  As disappointment and depression set in, Kristy talked with her husband about her career woes. As they collectively committed to do everything possible to find career happiness, Kristy watched a Happen To Your Career email land in her inbox. The message? It was the last day to join Career Change Bootcamp. Kristy couldn’t believe it. Minutes after deciding to go all in, she was forced to act on her commitment. Taking the email as a sign, she immediately registered for the program.    


  The bootcamp began. As Kristy worked through the modules in the program and talked with her career coach, she realized an essential lesson: the greatest vision, without consistent action, leads nowhere. Early on, Kristy picked up on the importance of momentum. To put it simply (and cheesily), “momentum = mo’ happiness.” Kristy told herself, “No matter how small the step, I have to keep doing things every day, whether it’s just updating my LinkedIn or contacting somebody that I worked with a long time ago that I can reach out to and connect with again. All those little steps—even if it was just one thing a day—were necessary. I had to put one foot in front of the other and keep moving.” Kristy knew if she stopped moving, fear would kill her progress, so she made a plan to ensure the momentum would keep rolling.    


  To keep from wallowing in the difficulty of navigating a career search, Kristy learned to celebrate small wins along the way. Instead of saving the good wine for an exciting job offer, Kristy began to uncork the full-bodied flavors to celebrate a phone call she hadn’t wanted to make, an interview that helped clarify her goals, or a completed bootcamp activity that helped her identify key strengths she could carry into any new workplace. She identified and celebrated little victories, and these moments of cheer kept her moving forward.    


  At the beginning of her journey, Kristy defined four major desires in her dream career:

  • Travel
  • Wine
  • History
  • Culture

Today, she gets to work in each of those areas, but her role didn’t just fall into her lap. Instead, she explored positions, connected with the right people, used the Test Drive Method on new types of work, persevered through disappointment, and kept her goals in mind. Eventually, she asked for a role running communications for a wine tourism company. Did you catch that? She ASKED for the role. And they said yes! Kristy worked with the CEO to create a position that utilized her unique skills. This is rare because it’s rare that someone actually asks for what they want. Like Kristy, you may need to ask for a role to be created that benefits both you and your employer.    


  Today, Kristy gets to live out her career dreams. Her daily work tastes as sweet as a tawny port dessert wine. Delight dances on her tongues as she says her new title, Chief Communications Officer for Winetraveler. Kristy is the perfect example of a phrase we say all the time at Happen To Your Career: People who are willing to do unconventional things end up getting unconventional opportunities. You just have to decide… Are you willing to do the work? To hear more about Kristy’s road to career happiness, press play on the podcast below.

Scott: Welcome back to the Happen To Your Career podcast and I know I'm always excited to get going and share a story that we have here with HTYC (Happen To Your Career). However, I'm particularly excited for today's episode because we have a guest that has done something phenomenal work for herself. On the initial and really defining what she wanted with in her life and then taking that many steps further and designing an experiment to figure out what she really heading the right direction and through the creation of that experiment. She ended up putting yourself in, in front of an opportunity that was for all intensive purposes created exactly for her in many different ways. So we get to hear all about that. I'm really excited to do so, welcome to Happen To Your Career. Kristy Wenz. How are you?

Kristy: Thank you! I'm great excited to be a part of this.

Scott: Well, very cool. So share with people what it is that you're getting the opportunity to do now?

Kristy: Absolutely. I am officially the chief communications officer with https://WineTraveller.com and it's sort of a hybrid of role but kind of involved operations as well. Kind of chief of staff angle and obviously the communications piece. So it's really kind of a self-created role that I designed with the CEO of the company and it’s fantastic so far. It's I've been at it for about a month here and things are going really well. I'm very excited and happy thoroughly happy for the first time in my career perhaps rest in my life.

Scott: Wow! Well that is no small effort on your part. I know that we got to take along for the ride and participate on the journey, but you’ve done some really amazing work and we're going to talk about what went into that both the good things and maybe the harder things too at the same time. But let me first of all just say congratulations because I don't think we do and I have actually talked since it has happened other than over email. So,

Kristy: Exactly the official. after I rang the bell to ring that often Bell. It’s pretty awesome.

Scott: Here's the thing that I wanted to ask you about first. Why was this such an exciting role for you? What about it really line up with what you wanted because you did some amazing work identifying what would create an ideal career for you. But this lines up in so many different ways. So what are some of those ways?

Kristy: I have so many. I mean it really kind of picks on my buckets. I love travel. I love wine. I like history and culture. So I knew that had to be a partner. I wanted that to be a part of whatever I did.

Scott: Yeah.

Kristy: I also needed something that was going to be flexible and allow me to work remotely. Kind of on my own hours and I put in a lot of time but if it is that my schedule which is wonderful, especially as a mom. So that was a huge piece for me. And it's really allows me to do all of that. I get to write, I get to be a manager, I get to you know jump in with ideas, I have a seat at the table and work with a dynamic group of people that are really amazing and that was important to me as well. Just working with like-minded people. People with similar values and kind of have the same goals and missions that I did and it's really everything fell into line and I honestly did not think it was possible even six months ago.

Scott: Is that crazy.

Kristy: Yeah. It's insane. It all really came together and fix everything so far.

Scott: That is so amazing and we hear that same thing too, like when people into our world. They hope it's possible. And I think

Kristy: Right

Scott: You did too. You had this hope that this could be a reality but a lot of times, you know, as we get the opportunity to meet people. I don't know that we entirely believe it’s possible. It sounds like that was true for you too.

Kristy: Exactly. There's definitely the hope that it would be possible and even if you know, I got some of the pieces that would have been better than where I was so hopeful that there'd be something that I could take from it but not expecting really to have all my boxes checked off mean it's been that really just kind of blows me away so, still like pinch myself.

Scott: I know that's so phenomenal. But it wasn't like you know prior to six months ago and even before that, you know, this was far from a reality and what I’m curious for you is, first of all what led up to even wanting to make this change in the fur in the first place? Because you haven't always done this exact same sort of thing certainly in this way. So, where did where did first of all your career start and what sent you down this path to eventually wanting to make this type of change to? Help me understand that?

Kristy: Yeah, absolutely. So I actually started in-house marketing decades ago and then eventually led to public relations and I worked for a small boutique agency and I liked it at the time. It was it was exciting. It was new I learned a lot. Made some fantastic connections and ended up staying in that industry for 20 years and eventually owning my own business in that industry. So it's so interesting to have my own company. And be able to design that in a way that fit my lifestyle but it didn't, it wasn't satisfying enough for me if that makes sense.

Scott: In what way? I’m curious.

Kristy: I eventually kind of learned as much as I could learn. Kind of hit a wall there and there was nowhere for me to advance anymore. I could take on new clients, new object so still had diversity but it was in an industry that you know frankly was is not very exciting to me. There are some things I like about it, but it kind of been alone and doesn't get very exciting and it just there was really no upward mobility. It kind of lost its luster to me at that point and the thing that helped me to it was the flexibility that I had. I was able to work from home and work with people I wanted to work with in terms of my own company clients were a different story. But it in the flexibility is really what kept me going. I was able to work from home be with my kids while they were young and that just really made a huge difference in my life and I wouldn't trade it for the world and the way ended up amazing vacations we had, you know time at home with the kids and so it really exposed to be able to kind of keep up with my career and have a role that I was content with it wouldn't be happy with but I was content with. Then about in 2015 I believe is when the high, you know, I really kind of started to realize, this isn't really what I wanted to do.

Scott: What cause you to realize that?

Kristy: You don't realize though. I've had an opportunity to go in the house with a client a couple days a week. And the first year of that was its so thrilling and exciting. I was creating a marketing department.  They had one that was really low production, low morale they were losing people left and right and so I got to come in and own something and turn it around and turn it into a successful program and that was I loved it. I was you know out the people in downtown and that was all very exciting. But again in that same industry that I was kind of getting tired of. So I knew that there I needed something more in this gave me a little bit of that. And so I kind of wanted to start exploring and at that time we were actually leaving for a sabbatical in Europe. And I know it can be gone for seven months. So but this would be a great opportunity to kind of really explore things come back and know what I wanted to do and you know pretend didn't happen. I went over there with you know, high expectations of I'm going to have that aha moment and I'm going to come back and know exactly what I'm going to do. And I didn’t.

Scott: Well, let me ask you about that though because we encounter a lot of people that want to take a sabbatical and feel that same way going into it. For the ones that do actually go forward they feel that same way like if I just create the time and space then I'm going to get you know that all moments or that clarity or then I'll be able to immediately come back but almost all of them that we talk to before and after that have done that and just gone on and done that without anything else in there kind of have the similar type of experience. They don't have the clarity or don't have the aha moment. If they're just going over there expecting that to take care of it. So I’m curious what your experience was. And why you thought that was that. You didn't come back with that aha moment?

Kristy:  A good question. I don't know why I didn't come back with any experience is definitely amazing. I wouldn't trade it for the world. It was you know, it's difficult being in foreign places with small kids and as a family the parents were always together all the time. Really didn't have any breaks from each other. So it was a really intense, kind of experiment as a family and I wouldn't trade it for the world. We met just amazing people had so many fantastic experiences learning about different cultures and histories and so we are a lot of amazing things out of it.

Scott: Intense the right word by the way. That is, I listen I used the same word when we have traveled with our kids past few months or six weeks and yes, it's amazing and also intense,

Kristy: Right? Yeah. I know. Moments you wouldn't trade for the world and then others you're like, what are why are we doing this? Are we insane? It was not but you know, it's almost like hearing cause on life fulminate. We kind of got to take a break from all of our responsibilities and schools and activities and things like that and it we really just got to hit pause and be together. So that part was amazing. I expect that I would have more time to kind of dive into my inner workings and figure out exactly what I wanted to do and do some major thought work and you know what areas I really wanted to come back and what I liked, and I did do some of that. You know I kind of was able to pull out of myself things. I knew needed to be a part of my career. Like I knew I wanted to write. I knew I wanted to communicate with people. I knew I wanted to somehow be involved in food & wine and travel if I could because I love how it brings people together.

Scott: Yeah

Kristy: So I knew that that needed to be a part of it. I didn’t know what it looked like at all and so when I came back and I found myself doing my same things again, you know back at my same job.

Scott: Yes

Kristy: Back at same routines. That's when it really kind of hit me that you know that I didn't have that aha moment. So  I'm back to where I left and I don't want to be here and if that's what it kind of, you know, I turned on way for me to be honest, but I was not in a good space it was you know, I had some depression.

Scott: Yeah.

Kristy: I had some resentments and anger and you know, it was it all stemmed from this fact that I didn't figure it out and I'm still here at home ever going to get out of this place. And so it got ugly for a little bit and it was a struggle and it took awhile for me, to kind of get a hold of myself and say okay I need to do something about this that I can do something about this and I would have starts and stops and.

Scott: Yeah.

Kristy: I go get some books and read about things I could do and then I would start to do some things and sidetracked and then just be like, oh, it's just a waste of my time. Anyway, I've got too much going on and you know, it's easy to distract yourself and I found myself, you know getting involved in things that were not fulfilling but kept me busy and so for the next I would say it was until the spring really I have bought two starts and stops. And I have to appoint the spring where I just decided, you know times up. I've got a to do something and it's I’m the only one that can make it happen, you know, certainly people around me, support me and I can find resources to help me but I need to take that step and stay committed to it. And I did that's been fantastic since.

Scott: What do you remember if anything was there one or a series of things that cause you to eventually have that realization that hey nobody else in the world is going to do this for me and I need to do it and stick with it and what find happened that caused you to have that I'm going to call that an aha moment, but maybe it actually it wasn’t.

Kristy: Yeah. It was telling more about you know, somebody beating me over the head moment before I actually like realize what's happening.

Scott: Yeah.

Kristy: You know, I got so stressed to the point. It has started to affect my physical health. Having back pain and neck pain and you know all kinds of random pains and then started worrying that I was sick and I went through this whole cycle and it was stressed. It was just really stressed and so it really kind of took you know, like I said, it took a hammer over the head, you know my body to just had to say stop and for me to step back and say nope. This is I need to address it or I'm going to end up sick and miserable and I really didn't want that. It was combination of that and then I was doing some dabbling in some part-time work and kind you know that wasn't going where I wanted it to go, and I just had this moment where I was on a trip. I was doing things I liked you know it was traveling. I was working in food and wine, but something still wasn't right, and I was on one of the trips and I almost just started crying as I was walking down the street and that's completely unlike me.

Scott:  Yeah

Kristy: And I thought you know, this is its time like everything is just lining up. You know, this isn't working. I need to actually sit down and make a decision and it's my husband. I took a weekend away in March I think it was and talked about things. We have been saving up and you know kind of getting ourselves in line for me to be able to take some time and do some research and really figure this out. And so we decided it was time to do it and it so happened in this was kind of a weird coincidental thing.

Scott: It always is. That's it seems like.

Kristy: Yeah, exactly I had research you in 2015 I remember I did some initial worked on what you want in your career

Scott: Yes.

Kristy: And he’d just been signed up to the email, but I believe they were going into my spam and I hadn’t seen them in a long time. And honestly after that weekend away with my husband, it popped into my inbox again and it was the boot camp email that it was the last state to signed up for boot camp, but I was what’s? What’s like? There we go and talk to my husband and he’d absolutely do it. Just sign up and that was it. You know a lot of things that let into it but it was that, you know email just showing up that day right after we had that conversation and it was just like okay, this is time. I'm on the right path.

Scott: I think what is amazing about that though Kristy is. It was not a small or yeah, it was not  small serious of advance that led up to you being in like how do I even say do you creating the right time and space for you to

Kristy: Right.

Scott:  Be open to owning it in a completely different way than what you had before and looking at it through a different lens than what you had before and

Kristy: exactly

Scott: In all honesty. Like that's a, it looks different for everybody in terms of like the journey to get to that point. But you've done a phenomenal job and getting to that point and clearly, you know, it was not always easy and many times. It was rough to even get to the point where you were ready to look at things differently.

Kristy: Exactly.

Scott: Yeah

Kristy: It's a mind shift. I mean you really have to be ready to kind of change the way you think about things in a lot of respects. And that's not easy to do definitely not easy to do.

Scott: Well, what do you think was the hardest part for you to have that mind shift? What do you think was the elements that was the most impactful, but may be difficult for you in terms of what that might shift actually looked like for you?

Kristy: I think the hardest part was convincing myself that I could do it. That I was smart enough to do it and I was capable enough to do it. You know if they've been doing the same thing for so long I had this doubt that I would be able, taken seriously in a different industry or kind of because it really was an industry shift for me. So I was very scared about being taken seriously and are they just going to think. Just some not that just wants to do this just because I have no experience and it just it didn't, that was the biggest shift I think in my mind that I had to and going through the program I really, it really helped me to kind of outline all of the accomplishments and all the things that I have done and look at them in different ways that they don't just you know I think it was in the I don't know which step it was. But where you have to list out all the things you've done and then it wasn't just about, stating your responsibility. But as a result to that responsibility what came from that? What successes did you create? What impact did you have?

Scott: Yeah.

Kristy: Once I started to draw all that out? It was really kind of able to see well I could have applied that all these other different industries as well. It's not just this industry and I actually have done a lot of things and once I started to put it all down. It really kind of helped me to see that, you know yet I do have value and can bring value to some to a new company, new industry that I have ideas and you know intelligence and thoughts and I can apply it all somewhere else, but I think it was just getting over that fear of doing something different and doing something, you know out of my routine and not something I normally don't or even thought about doing so getting over that fear was probably the biggest shift that I had to make and I remember going through it would when we had to write, you know, what's going to be the thing that derailed you through this process. I knew it was going to be fear at some point that was going to get me. And it did I there was a probably a good three or four week period where I really just kind of avoid in the program all the others like no. No, I don't. I don't know what's going to happen

Scott: Yeah

Kristy: And just kind of started to go in that stop mode again. And had a call with my coach and after I hung up the call was like I just felt that energy and excitement again. It was like, nope. I got to keep moving like I just have to keep the momentum going and when I slow down let the fears can start taking of my thought like shift keep going and I did and it was shortly after that but everything else manifested and you know the job offer and all this stuff and it just takes all came together very quickly after that but again, there’s starts from stops and the fear can just really start to get into the thoughts and into the mindset when you're you know, not moving forward on your slow down. It's easy for that to kind of take over and fill you with the self-doubt again.

Scott: What you just said I don't know if people as they hear that will realize how meaningful and impactful that actually is and I just want to take a moment in repeat it because that's one of the things as we dive into  the science behind this stuff that causes people to propel themselves forward and actually do things that they previously thought were impossible and one of the things that you just said was, you know, it was the continuously moving forward and rolling forward that allowed you to move past the fear and we talk a lot behind the scenes on our team about how do we help people build momentum? And how do we how do we get rid of all the things that stop them from building that momentum? Because momentum is the surest way to allow you to move past fear, but it is also when it stops the surest way to allow those fears to creed back in it sounds so simple, but internally there's more to it than just that but it's one big element that we’ve seen as people feel like they're moving forward and are actually taking steps forward. Even if it's small and creating that moment then all of a sudden. Yeah while not all of a sudden but it gets you there.

Kristy: Right, yeah. Went one way or there may not be a straight road, but it's certainly going to move you. When I read something somewhere at some point in all of my research and it was something about you know, “you can't catch the wind until you hoist the sail” and that just stuck with me like I've got to have my sale up so that I can catch it and if I have to. No matter how small the step, I have to keep doing things every day, whether it's just updating my LinkedIn or contacting somebody that I worked with a long time ago that I can reach out to and connect with again. Just all those little steps, just even if it was just one thing a day to be able to kind of putting one foot in front of the other and keep moving, and there were days that was hard. There were days you know, you were face rejection and it, you know, maybe want to go backwards. And somebody say I don't want to talk to you about that. And you know, you can't take it personally, but it's hard not to.

Scott: Yes.

Kristy: And so those types of things are in there too. So, you know it’s hard you need to say okay. No, but I but this other one works and you know, so I'm just going to keep moving and it's not a straight line and it's not easy and you do face those rejections and those moments that don't make you feel good. But I was a big believer in celebrating every little small victory no matter how small it was. You know, I did that even if it was just calling someone I was scared to call like that was the celebration because I picked up the phone and I did it. I made sure it kind of you know, reward myself along the way for the little steps too because it just did made a difference in kind of reinforced the positive things that I was doing.

Scott: What did you do to reward yourself? Give me a couple of examples of what you do big or small to reward yourself because I think that's important. A lot of people don't think about that being a vital part of the process.

Kristy: Exactly. Typically would involve opening a good bottle of wine, you know, usually the ones that we have reserved for special occasions that be like this is a special occasion. I'm going to do it. Going for a massage, going you know to spa. Just little things I could do that way, even just going outside for a walk and in the middle of the day just to you know, if it was sunny outside and just go be in the sun and anything that I would enjoy that would make me happy that I normally wouldn't take the time to do because I'd be so obsessed on you know, trying to find what I want to do or you know getting lost in it and just kind of taking a few moments to you know, allow myself to do something I really like and enjoy the moment. So you know what? It was combination of a lot of different things but I would say the most common was digging into our wine cellar from our trip to Europe and all the bottles that we had saved and that was a lot of fun to kind of go through along the way as well.

Scott: Well, I am a fan of that type of Celebration. Sounds like you and I celebrate similarly.

Kristy: Yes. I think my husband enjoyed it. He was along for the ride. So he wasn't complaining about opening those battles.

Scott: It’s just like another bottle. Well, okay.

Kristy: Yeah. Every success we're really worth it.

Scott: Oh, that's fantastic. So I'm curious, you know through this entire journey. I would love to talk to you about as you started getting into really. Well. Let's back up for a second. You came back from your sabbatical knowing a few of the elements that you wanted to carry forward with you into your next role and I think it's important distinction here because just like you said earlier like you stayed a long period of time because you didn't want to give up that flexibility. But when we work with people we think about it through a different mindset were thinking about it as how do we carry forward the things that we want to keep with us like that flexibility. And then how do we bring into it those other things that were missing in one way or another after we identified with them. So you came back identifying a couple of those pieces and then did some great work to identify the other pieces that you need too. But then once you had identified that, what did you do in order to begin experiment with where you could create this type of career or where you would belong?

Kristy: I kind of went down a couple different path. I was at the time I was writing a monthly article for one traveler. And so I was already kind of connected with them. And I knew that they were you know, a lot of things in the works. Lot of plans and the more I would talk to him, the more I would kind of give feedback and engage with the CEO and we have a lot of great conversations. So that door was already open. However, I really I did not envision anything happening there other than I was just contributing articles, which I enjoy doing.

Scott: Sounds obvious in hindsight,

Kristy: Right. Yeah, exactly and I didn't even know if they would have any available positions because it is a start-up. At the very beginning stages of being you know kind of the company that it is and so I wasn't even sure what opportunities were there if there were any and if I would even, you know be considered for that, so that was started more as a kind of subconscious goldilocks experiment I guess. I think is it the goldilocks last one?

Scott: Yeah and for a little bit of context. For people who may not know what that is. You can go back and listen to our designing experiments episode on the podcast. But within crew change boot camp, one of the things that we do is we help people validate the role that they're going down and the goldilocks is being able to talk to a variety of different people in organizations and like this chairs do big this corner office is too small that sort of type of thing and being able to find what is the right fit by getting continuous feedback and building relationships.

Kristy: Yeah, Exactly.  And say so I started doing some of that with him and then I also started doing it with some of my clients my existing clients and talking with them about different roles in their organizations and talking with you know, other people that are in communications for in the industry. I was currently in and just really kind of feeling people out and getting a sense of what's out there. I also connected with some people that really have been mentors over my career and kind of you know, my cheerleaders and talk with them about what are some ideas you have that maybe I haven't thought of because there's just things out there that you don't even know exist or there may be already have been in your consciousness. So, how can you think about them if you don't know?

Scott:  Yeah

Kristy: And so in talking to other people that you know, they would give me ideas and that I could consider and it's from that I started to pull out, you know, the ones that would get excited about or the pieces of each of these roles that I found rewarding or that I knew I would enjoy and then a picture started kind of take shape for the first time in my life of exactly what I wanted to do and I was tell my kids, you know, I don't know what I want to be when I grow up. But you know, I still don't know but I'm going through this I really was able to kind of, you know, create that vision of, why I wanted to be in, what I wanted to do and when I would think about it. The excitement I would feel I mean it was just tangible. And so I knew I was on the right path and in a lot of it had to do with just kind of testing the waters and talking to lots of different people and you know kind of just working through this whole process of exactly. Down to the minutiae of you know, do I want to commute, do I want you know how many hours a week do I want the office is you know, is it important that I have that I manage people or you know, how am I going to work with? And that was actually one of the biggest concerns for me is can I work for someone being as I've had my own company for such a long time?

Scott: Yes. Are you my employable anymore?

Kristy: Right exactly. Like am I going to be able to be an employee or you know, how is that going to be to have that kind of relationship again. So that was you know, it was interesting kind of testing all of that out and it just really it was a matter of going in and just like you said is this Cherokee bag. Is this Cherokees? Like what what's the fit for me? I was able to really kind of define everything after that process.

Scott: What was one of those conversations that stood out in your mind? That you had along the way through this social goldilocks that experimentation that was particularly helpful? And I’m going to ask you what made it so helpful?

Kristy: That’s a good question, it can help my conversations. I think, probably the one that had the most impact on me was with one mentor in particular, and she was a former clients and the one that I had actually gone and worked in house for a few days a week and she had been my superior in that role and I just really respect her and her whole career path. She has really created for herself and continually created positions for herself to get her where she is. And she’s champion of supporting people along the way. She wants to know if you don't like your job she wants to help you find something that you would like. So she really always had a positive kind of inspirational effect on me, and we went to lunch one day and I told her I had started this process and I had no idea where it was going to go and what’s going to look like and she just really reinforced for me. She's like, well, here's all the things. I think you're good at and you know, which ones you like? And so we really kind of talked about that and she just started naming all these different rules and companies and just like talked about this or how about that? And so she really kind of opened my eyes to more possibilities that I hadn't even dreamed of like I never thought about that and she you talk to this person. And so she really kind of opened the door for me to see that there's a lot out there that I hadn't even given thought and just what those possibilities look like and she really and she kind of pushed the momentum angle too. She's like, you know, what's your timing? I said, I don't know, you know, we've kind of set aside a year for me to explore and she just looked me straight in the eyes and she said you do not taking here. She's like you don't wait that long if I could keep going. She's like you need to do this now like, okay, like I'll do it. I'll listen to you and it just you know, she was just you should don't wait. Trust me. Just don't wait. She like you've got the momentum go. Okay,

Scott: Is that momentum again.

Kristy: Exactly and I left so energized after that lunch. So I think that was probably you know, one of the most inspiring conversations that I had just that, you know, don't wait and here's all the things you can look at and you know the world's your oyster just go, you know, there's a lot of opportunities out there and she was a cheerleader through the entire process and if I get stuck at thunder and she was very open about that too. If you get stuck, shoot me a note and I'll push you and she like whatever you need. I'm here and so that really helped and it just you know kind of that validation too. What I was doing was, you know that I wasn't crazy that I get stuck that everybody gets stuck. You need people in your corner to cherry on and it was great conversation. .

Scott: That’s amazing and it becomes evidence as why such a helpful conversation too, in terms of exposure as well as all of the challenges and then on top of that being able to understand some of those different places that you could be a fit because that's one of the things that you said you struggled with her earlier is trying to see what you do and what you have done some of the things that you're great at and have experience in can translate into other areas and with so many people coming to us and asking for that exact same thing, but what people don't realize is that so much more of it than nearly every one of us realizes is actually translatable.

Kristy:  Right? Yeah. Well exactly and that actually is reminding me of one of the other big things that really kind of helps propel me forward was we had to go and ask people in our life, colleagues and family and friends and people that could manage us that we've managed and different people to give five characteristics of our what they think our strengths are which is a difficult thing to do, you know to call and ask people these questions and you know, it's kind of embarrassing and you feel a little. You know, like just kind of it’s one of the financial things about me.


Scott: Yeah.

Kristy: And but it was one of those things like nope. Just going to do it. Just going to ask and see what happens. And then collecting the list of the responses and looking at it was really interesting and eye-opening. The amount of crossover and it was from people in all areas of my life from you know, people that work. That I work for people that works for me, my family. People that I took acquaintances or done new projects for volunteer work. The similarities that came out in all of their responses really were eye-opening and things I hadn't thought of like things I didn't think about myself like, oh really like, okay. An interesting, you know, like everybody talks about how approachable I am. That's, you know came across in every single response and

Scott: Yeah

Kristy: I just thought that was there things I would have thought on my own. It's hard to think about your positive, you know, I know I'm a hard worker. I know I am on time and I get tired of you like you can think those things but coming up with, going beyond that it's hard sometimes to think that way about yourself. So it was really interesting to see the responses. And that helped to guide to where, okay where my strengths and my passion is going to collide and it was so just a really interesting. I don't know kind of past to go down and see it was a great way to kind of look back and you know what I would get stuck to go back and look at that like okay, either. He nope. Nope. That's right. These killers are people in my life. Think these awesome things I can do this and that it's really encouraging part of the process I think. It's hard as it was asked for those things. It was a really great part of the process.

Scott: Well when you do other things that a most people are unwilling to do you get results that other people aren't going to get. So

Kristy: Yes,

Scott: That's a good evidence to that. That's actually, you know, speaking of the momentum we mentioned several times early. That's one of the reasons why we with all of our students in any capacity, we build that in a lot of times into the beginning portion of the process because it creates some of those initial lens and the different lens to look at things through early on which then does help carry you as you're getting into some of the latter stages. So I'm so glad that you experience that as well. But here's the question that I have for you. You know, since you went through such a range here of going from hey, I am in the mind space where I do not sure if I'm ever going to find this flexibility again, so I don't think I can do anything different all the way to completely flipping it. I'm going to decide what I actually want in my life and then I'm going to go and get it which is the polar opposite end of that

Kristy: Pressure.

Scott: What advice would you give other people that are maybe closer to that fear type space where they're like, I'm not sure if like, I've got a great you I've got it's not what I want necessarily but it’s a  good thing going for myself. What advice would you give them to move past that? So that they can experience what you've experienced with. Being able to decide, what you're going to do and go and get it?

Kristy:  Great question. I can salvage those small steps and every door is an opportunity, every exchange is an opportunity. I look at it this and I still think about it too. There's a chance that this you know, where the role I'm in now could end up not working and that was kind of scary too, but it's the process worked finally can do it again and you know, and I don't want to think of anything as the end. It’s always a journey. It's always a process and this isn't the end, that's okay. It's a still, it's an experience on my journey. That's going to change me and shake me. Open new doors that I didn't even think we're possible. So I think just really, you know understanding that. There's things out there that you don’t even know we're possible until you start to take those steps, you know, because I seriously could not have envisioned this six months ago.

Scott: Yeah

Kristy:  We had made exercise of, you know, create your perfect day and I kind of visions this I mean I had ideas but I you know, there's no way I could have made this up at that time in my head but each not step just really interest me to another person that introduced me to another person or gave me an experience where I was able to allow. I really enjoyed that or you know, I like doing this and that so that's interesting and just kind of pulling, you know, learning something from every experience every encounter every exchange and looking at it and just seeing what works and what fits and kind of I guess being a curious learner along the way. It was really helpful. Just to remember that this is a journey and that it's not an end. Our lives just keep moving forward every, you know I look back, and I look at all of the things that I've done. I couldn't have imagined all of them really. And so just remembering that it's not a road to an end. It's just all part of the journey. I think is helpful and I would say just ask just do it. That was so counterintuitive to my own thinking time.

Scott:  In what way?

Kristy: I never would just that, you know, everything I can ask for what I want. Why would I do that? If it's not available to me? Why would I ask for something that's not available? My coach just that, you know, just ask why not. Just ask. You know, what are you going to do? If you don't ask and it in that kind of hit me like, you know if I don't ask is not going to go anywhere. And if I do ask and it doesn't go anywhere. It's still the same spot. So it's not, you know, it's not going to hurt and so I it was a very big change for me to just ask and it's been incredible. I mean I did just ask and it works and there are times I asked and I get it, you know tell the response but it's a response that you can engage with then and start the conversation. So it's never a bad thing to just ask, you know, hearing know isn't that awful end of the road thing? It's an opportunity for conversation. It's a chance to ask questions. A chance to turn it, you know in different direction whatever it may be. So I think just ask and don't be afraid to ask. It's scary. It's terrifying. Could nobody likes rejection, but you know to be able to say it out loud and ask for what you want and not be afraid. I think you know, once you do it a couple times it gets a lot easier. But it's something everybody I think you know if you just do it just ask and I think it'll it opens just so many different doors.

Scott: That's amazing. We have definitely found that when you ask for what you want. There are surprising amount of time that you're more likely to get what you want.

Kristy: Yeah. It's so funny how that works.

Scott: It’s so funny how that works. I love those simple types of logic, though, because those allow me to be able to move forward and do things like that and you've done a phenomenal job here and one of the things I hear all the time that I just want to commend you on because you didn't allow yourself to stay in that space and I hear people say, you know, I'm not the type of person that ask for what I want and you have through this process been able to become the type of person that asks for what you want

Kristy: Yeah,

Scott: And that is

Kristy: yeah.

Scott: No small. There's so much buried in that. That were not to be able to even get to read the text here in terms of what that journey actually looks like. And I know it’s not easy and I'm just so proud of you that you've gone through it and done such an amazing job. Really great work.

Kristy: Thank you. And I do have to credit the program too. I mean the way you guys have it laid out it just, it makes it want to say easy because it's not easy, but it makes it easier to move through the process because the steps are laid out such a way that it's clear and it really covers a lot of different bases. And so just it makes it easier. It's just that extra support to help you move through the process and it’s you know often program.

Scott: Well, thank you very much. And thank you so much for taking the time and coming on and sharing your story. I know that so many people are going to listen to this and pick up different pieces that they haven't thought about before. So I appreciate you taking the torch and carrying it and helping people be able to do things differently than what they knew were possible. That is amazing. I really appreciate it.

Kristy: Absolutely. No problem, and I always happy to people on reach out me I'm on LinkedIn happy to you know, share advice or give encouragement. There are a lot of people in my life that pushed me along the way and open doors. And pay it forward and I'm happy to do the same. I think it's the community that were in of you know, high-achieving job changers, it's an awesome community and if we help each other I'm all for that. So

Scott: That is

Kristy: Open to doing

Scott: That’s absolutely amazing and we'll link up your link done into the blog post that goes along with this episodes so that you can find it on Happen To Your Career too. And I wanted to say thanks again so much very much appreciate it. And you've done phenomenal work.

Kristy: Awesome. Well, thank you to I appreciate it. It's been a blast.


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