396: Strategic Quitting: Creating A Path That Stays True To You

Over the past few years, Lynn Marie has been earning a law degree while working as a physician. Now that she has both an “MD” AND a “JD” after her name, she is absolutely bursting with excitement over a new startup venture she's working on, a opportunity that allows her to pull from ALL of her previous experiences while creating change in the world.

Guest

Lynn Marie Morski, President: Plant Medicine

Lynn Marie Morski is a “self-described hippie” who gushes about the Burning Man Festival and has quit just about every career she’s started. She’s also a doctor/lawyer powerhouse with a multimedia background who has co-founded a medical tourism startup that is working to revolutionize our healthcare system.

on this episode

Think quitters never get ahead?

Think again. 

Quitting just might be one of the most overlooked and useful tools in the process of discovering the work you were meant to do! Lynn Marie Morski is a “self-described hippie” who gushes about the Burning Man Festival and has quit just about every career she’s started. She’s also a doctor/lawyer powerhouse with a multimedia background who has co-founded a medical tourism startup that is working to revolutionize our healthcare system.

When the realization hit Lynn Marie as a graduate student in multimedia design that she actually LOATHED coding, a skill she needed, she quit.

When being a sports medicine doctor turned out to be a dream job…just not HER dream job, she started planning her exit route.

Over a series of a few years, Lynn Marie earned a law degree while working as a physician.  Now that she has both an “MD” AND a “JD” after her name, she created a new startup venture, an opportunity that allows her to pull from ALL of her previous experiences while creating change in the world.

The key to finding the work you were meant to do is to understand yourself.  Stick to what you know about yourself and what you want and keep your eyes open for opportunity!  When it comes by, grab it!

“Follow your intuition and know what you love and what you enjoy and know what you don’t enjoy and what you don’t plan to tolerate for your life…and keep THAT strict, but leave the path to getting there open.” – Dr. Lynn Marie Morski

WHAT YOU WILL LEARN

  • How quitting can pave the way to new opportunities, including some you could never anticipate!
  • Why the most important thing you can do in your career search is to focus on knowing and understanding yourself and then matching those things to your opportunities instead of chasing a particular job title.
  • How it’s possible that most people who will get a degree, then settle into a job (or two) for long periods of time may not have a large enough “data set” on which to base their ideas about what it is they REALLY want in their careers.

Success Stories

I think what helped me the most was focusing on my strengths and the connections that this process, the whole happened here, the career change bootcamp, those connections that basically you're prompted to go reconnect with people right? So, that helped me the most because the roller coaster that I was on with the role that I was in that I was trying to exit from, again, it realizing that people had a positive view of me and that they saw things that maybe I didn't see in myself really helped me articulate who I already was and who I wanted to be in my next role, if that makes sense.

Elizabeth , Digital Marketing Analytics Strategist, United States/Canada

I wanted to thank you because you have helped me land a job that is more fulfilling in every way than a job I thought I could have had before I met you. The work you did and the techniques you taught me literally changed my life.

Eric Murphy, Science Teacher, United States/Canada

Sometimes you just need someone who has done these things before to make it easier. Scott’s advice allowed me to get exactly what I wanted out of my new job!

Andrew Trujillo, Digital Marketing, United States/Canada

My brain always goes 'Well, what's the worst that could happen?' And that was another one of the exercises from Figure Out What Fits and once you realize what the worst that can happen is, it's not really that bad. In the big scheme of things, it might knock it back for a minute or two, but it's not not a biggie. They have not found it to happen yet. So I've just been pleasantly surprised every step of the way.

Mark Sinclair, Photograher, Australia

Getting clear on what I wanted helped me to recognize how perfect this opportunity was when it came along and the choice to switch was a no-brainer. Thanks for doing the work you do!

Austin Marlar, Frontend Developer, United States/Canada

Nadia Career Change HTYC

If you're stuck, if you want to know what to do, go listen to this podcast, it will change your life. And I was thinking, "great, okay." And then of course, I go to the website, and everything that I read, it was like, "Yes, this is what I've been looking for."

Nadia , Support Team Coordinator, United Kingdom

Introduction 00:20
This is the Happen To Your Career podcast, with Scott Anthony Barlow. We help you stop doing work that doesn't fit you, figure out what does and make it happen. We help you define the work that's unapologetically you, and then go get it. If you're ready to make a change, keep listening. Here's Scott. Here's Scott. Here's Scott.

Scott Anthony Barlow 00:44
Quitting might just be one of the most overlooked and most useful tools in the process of discovering the work that you were meant to do. When the realization hit Lynn Marie Morski is a graduate student in multimedia design that she actually loath coding, a skill that she needed. Well, she quit. When being a sports medicine doctor turned out to be a dream job, just not her dream job. She started planning her exit route.

Lynn Marie Morski 01:11
Get a list, you know, written or in your head or otherwise, of exactly what you want. And she didn't mean what position, she meant characteristics just like we were talking about. And she said and just don't let that go, focus on that.

Scott Anthony Barlow 01:25
Lynn Marie Morski is a doctor, lawyer, powerhouse with a multimedia background. She's also a self described hippie who gushes about things like Burning Man and festival and has quit just about every career she started. Here's Dr. Lynn Marie Morski, about her early career.

Lynn Marie Morski 01:43
Quitting is something that I've realized over the years is an extremely important tool that is undervalued and in fact, kind of devalued and looked down upon in our society. But I always thought, no, there's things about quitting that are fantastic. And I always kind of had that secret thought in my head, and I had some concepts and ideas built around it. And then one day, I was driving and I threw on a Freakonomics podcast. And they did an entire episode on quitting. That was essentially like hearing a podcast of my own thoughts. And I thought, this is a thing. This is... more people need to know about this. And I was super happy that Freakonomics had done an episode on it. And what listening to that episode did was give me some kind of economic concepts that I could apply to what I always thought about quitting. And when it came time to do my valedictorian speech, I thought, like, what kind of impression, oh, I want this to be a speech that resonates with people, but that opens their minds to something. And I thought, it's gotta be quitting. You know, this is a concept that nobody else aside from this one, you know, podcasts I heard, I just don't hear people talking about this enough. So for me, and as Scott, I'm sure you will kind of bring up at different points in this conversation, but I have quit several things in my life.

Scott Anthony Barlow 02:58
I wonder too.

Lynn Marie Morski 03:00
Yes. And, you know, when you list my resume of things that you did at the beginning, it sounds like, oh, she must have never quit anything, she must have started this path at seven years old, and just trudge right through and there's no other way you could get to wherever she is. And it's completely the opposite. If I hadn't quit things, I wouldn't be where I was, where I am.

Scott Anthony Barlow 03:21
Truly, you know, listed off that laundry list of stuff. But it almost seems like you've quit almost all of those to some degree. And that's paved the way for other things. How would you put it? How do you... when you talk to people in, you know, you tell them about your past, how do you tell them about that?

Lynn Marie Morski 03:42
The one thing that I guess I have quit for, you know, like, almost 100% quit, would be the fact that I started off as a multimedia designer. And that actually was after I had quit three other college majors. For essentially the same reason I started off as a broadcast journalism major. And I realized, no, that's just, I wanted to be more behind the scenes than on camera. And it well, you know, one thing led to another and I was a multimedia designer. But as I said, in my speech, that career, even though it was creatively fulfilling, it got very technical very quickly, you know, websites just went from basically HTML to these Java monsters. And I wasn't a programmer. And I had to stop and be like, man, I just did undergraduate. I was halfway through my graduate degree at the time. And I was at a job where I was actually employed as a multimedia designer, but I thought I am going to be the lowest person on every multimedia totem pole because I don't have these coding skills. And frankly, I took a class to try to get the coding skills and it was somewhere in the middle of that class where I thought, oh, this is miserable. Like, this is not something that makes me happy. I'm very glad that it makes coders happy. I'm very glad somebody can do it. It just wasn't for me. And it was kind of that day when it was like, ooh, if I can't, if getting the skills required for me to go on in this career is miserable, that maybe that career is gonna make me miserable. And I'm gonna have to do some thinking. So that's definitely the thing I quit the most, other things I've quit...

Scott Anthony Barlow 05:09
Hold on, I want to ask you something about that really quick. Okay, so you realized at that point in time, or it sounds like not too long after you started taking that coding class, had that realization that oh, you know, this may or may not be really what I'm after, I don't know, if I'm gonna be able to do this, if I don't really want the coding piece. Yet, you've had a conversation with your dad, at some point after that. How long was that after that? And what was that conversation?

Lynn Marie Morski 05:35
It was probably very quickly, because I don't like, when I have a gut feeling that that's wrong, I examine it for a while, but I don't wait forever, you know, like, life's too short to be unhappy. So I had a conversation pretty shortly with him after that. And my dad is a hard worker, but he was brought up in a family business of land surveying. And he essentially did some other things in his life. But it was always expected that he had to keep that family business. And he had to be a land surveyor. And he would tell me multiple times throughout my life, that wasn't what he chose. That's not what he would be doing if he was given the choice again. And so I thought, you know, this may be something that he has an open mind to, you know, even though he just... thank you to him, paid for my undergraduate education. I was halfway through paying for grad school. And I was like, this is, you know, I hope he doesn't take too much offense to the fact that I need to do more training, etc. But he was very open to it.

Scott Anthony Barlow 06:34
So he is open to it. What did you tell him you were going to do?

Lynn Marie Morski 06:37
I told him, I was going to have to start thinking, I essentially just told him, I wasn't happy. That multimedia wasn't for me. And that I was going to really explore. And I mean, I, the sternness thing he said out of the entire conversation was like, "well, make sure you really know what you want to do before you change courses again, you know, you've already kind of waste..." and it's funny, because I think he might have said, wasted three years, my undergraduate years. And that stuck with me for a number of reasons. But you know, obviously, it puts some gravity in the situation like, nope, he's absolutely right, I have to do significantly more kind of legwork and thinking than I did prior. And obviously, most of us choose a college major when we're... I mean, I started college at 17. Like, what kind of world experience did I have to pick whatever I chose?

Scott Anthony Barlow 07:23
Exactly.

Lynn Marie Morski 07:24
So this was the time to make more of an educated decision. And that's what I got out of that initial conversation. It's okay to change but let's put a lot of thought into it before you do.

Scott Anthony Barlow 07:33
So what happened from there then?

Lynn Marie Morski 07:34
From there? You know, I kept going to my job in multimedia, and I kept brainstorming, I mean, I went everything from like, could I work at a florist? To, could I be a chiropractor? A lawyer popped in there at some point. And at the time, I was a, like, competitive swing dancer. And my swing dance partner, and this is a strange story. But my swing dance partner was a urologist, a resident at the time in urology. And I was around he and his other physician friends a lot. And so that was kind of something that came into my head, but I thought, oh, there's so many prerequisites to go into medical school. And medical school takes forever, and oh, my goodness, like, that's just too much. But one night, I stopped by the hospital to drop off something to him. And he was in the middle, he was about to put in a chest tube into a patient. He was working in the emergency department that night. And he made this statement. He said, "If you don't faint, easily, you can come watch this." And I was like, oh, sure, I hadn't faded to that point in my life. So I went back there. And I saw him put it in, and something just said, like, I can do this, you can do this, you should do this. And that's what got started me on the road thinking about medicine. But like my dad said, you know, I had to do some due diligence. So I shadowed a ton of physicians. And what I had to do even before going to medical school is kind of the reverse from a lot of people, is I wanted to make sure I knew what specialty I wanted to go into. A lot of people go into med school open mind, let's see what I enjoy. And I was like, oh, no open mind didn't work the first time, let's try like having a very strict path to what I'm going to do. So I finally, you know, I found a sports medicine doctor, and I shadowed him a lot. And I decided that was the next path.

Scott Anthony Barlow 09:25
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Lynn Marie Morski 11:23
My advice is, based on my current kind of outlook on life, which obviously, you know, I'm 37, it's changed significantly over the years. And I think this is the one that has worked the best for me. And it is based on like, follow your intuition. And know what you love and know what you enjoy and know what you don't enjoy, and what you don't plan to tolerate for your life and keep those things strict, and then know that the path to getting you to those things, leave that path open. For example, you know, in law school, when I went to law school, I didn't have a specific thing I was going to do with this law degree, I had 1000 options, I could run for Senate, I could try to help human trafficking and write some legislation there. I could do a health law. Like, there were so many things that a law degree is good for, even though you know, obviously, even broader than medicine, everybody needs a lawyer for something.

Scott Anthony Barlow 12:21
Everybody needs a lawyer.

Lynn Marie Morski 12:22
Everybody. And so I just I decided, you know, okay, I had just tried the strict path with the, you know, sports medicine or die for essentially, you know, a decade, you know, because medical school, I did take some prereqs in med school, did residency then did fellowship. So it totaled about a decade of work on this path with this sole focus and that, when that... you have such a sole focus, and it doesn't end up being exactly like the golden egg you thought it was, then you get very, you know, there's some frustration and some kind of looking back, like, did I make wrong choices? And and I decided, no, let's try this a different path. I know that there are all these options with law. And I'm going to go, get the degree, but just keep focused on the fact that I know what kind of job would make me happy. And what kind of characteristics of the job. So instead of focusing on that one job, focus on keeping like, a solid knowledge of what you need to feel fulfilled in a job.

Scott Anthony Barlow 13:22
So why do you think so many people miss that? Because I mean, we literally have an entire class called figure out what fits that help people come to that conclusion throughout the course of the class. But the reason people need the class and are so interested in it in the first place is, I think, virtually everybody, including myself for many years, miss that exactly what you said, you said, hey, you know what you love, understand the things that are going to help you stay in that and experience those pieces. But be open to... I sort of heard be open to how you do that.

Lynn Marie Morski 13:59
Exactly.

Scott Anthony Barlow 13:59
And that's not very common advice. So why do you think that is? Why do you think everyone misses that?

Lynn Marie Morski 14:07
And I think the reason may be that they haven't quit a bunch of things. And the reason I say that is because everything that I quit, obviously I learned from, you know, I did multimedia, I learned what things I loved about it, okay, I love that there was creativity. I did not love staring at a computer screen in a dark room for you know, 8 to 10 hours a day. And then I went on to medicine, I realized, okay, I like these aspects. And I don't like these aspects. And if you, you know, a lot of people, they get their undergraduate degree, they go into their first job, and then they stay there for a long period of time. And all that tells you is maybe what you didn't like about that one job or what you did like about that one job, but that may not be a large enough data set for you to kind of round out okay, this is the kind of thing that would make me happy. It just tells you like maybe you worked in a cubicle for six years, nearly like, okay, just don't want to work in a cubicle or just don't want to work for a big corporation. But it may not give you enough data points on the opposite end of this, I really liked about it. Okay, I want to find a job that does entail these skills. I think that, that it's either that people haven't had enough jobs, haven't quit enough jobs, or maybe just haven't spent enough time thinking about it or listening to their intuition about it. Because, you know, when I start to think about it, even throughout law school, I consider certain internships or not. And I would just get a very deep seated feeling one way or the other. And I just would follow that and I realized that, that intuition is going to lead me to the right position.

Scott Anthony Barlow 15:45
So I gotta tell you that I didn't realize how much we have in common when we got on this call. I've heard that same Freakonomics episode. And you know people, since I have a podcast, people ask me what podcasts I listened to all the time. And Freakonomics is one of the ones that I do not miss. It's probably one of the only ones that I don't miss, in fact, say absolutely love it. Huge, Steven Levitt and Stephen Dubner fan. So I heard that same episode, I had a lot of the same thoughts that it sounds like you did, and partially because I have this very same quitting background that I don't know if I would have called it that before I heard that episode, and listening to you talk about it now. But what I'm really, really interested in, though, in listening to you say this is, how has that helped you now, in terms of, what you're doing right now? How does that line up with what you want?

Lynn Marie Morski 16:51
It's perfect. And as I said, when I made that speech, which was December 13 of last year, I didn't have this position. I think I made that speech on a Saturday. And I think I got this position or found this opportunity, maybe two days later. And in the speech, you hear me say that I don't even know what I'm going to do with my law degree. But I assume I will be combining my law degree and my medical degree into doing some kind of consulting position that I love. And that was just kind of in my head, I thought I want to combine these two. But I kept referring in my head back to this chart I had seen online posted two or three times, and it's a Venn diagram.

Scott Anthony Barlow 17:33
I know you've seen it.

Lynn Marie Morski 17:34
Right. I wish I had in front of me. So I could quote the four portions correctly. But it's like one section is what you're good at. And one section is what you can make money at. And one section is what would help the world. And one section is like what you enjoy. And the intersection of those four, it was labeled your calling. And I just kept thinking, you know, I've been through enough career transitions. I've had enough jobs, I want to find this calling. And I really could not think of something to fit perfectly into that Venn diagram until the opportunity that I got arose. And I thought, oh, my gosh, this fits in the calling, like, and that's how I knew that just having believed all during law school that I was going to stick to my guns and find something and just, I didn't worry about it. I didn't do a big career search. I just thought like, this is going to come to me, and it's going to come organically and it totally did. Yeah, maybe you want me to say what I'm doing now? So it's a little cryptic.

Scott Anthony Barlow 18:35
No, let's keep building the suspense.

Lynn Marie Morski 18:37
Okay, fantastic.

Scott Anthony Barlow 18:39
Please tell us a little bit about what it is that you're doing now. I know a tiny bit, but, you know, for everybody else's benefit too.

Lynn Marie Morski 18:45
Sure. Okay. Currently, I'm working as COO for a company called Medico International. And just FYI, we are thinking of changing the name because we are pivoting to make a whole new platform. And that's what I have been brought on to help with. Medico has been working for eight years in medical tourism, and medical tourism has kind of, you know, people either don't know what it is, or they have seen one episode on something in Thailand, and they don't have a great idea. But basically what it was, was that my business partner, his father is a physician, and they would have patients at the office that could not afford surgeries in the US, say a knee replacement, you know, somebody had been had a pre existing condition, no longer had insurance, needed a knee replacement, it's 60 grand or so, in Arizona, they found board certified US trained, often physicians that are at Joint Commission International certified hospitals in Mexico, and they could do it for 15,000. And so that's the kind of thing that Medico has been facilitating for eight years. But just like other medical tourism companies, all of it has been offline, meaning that somebody would call, Bobby my business partner, and then he would give them some options and they would say, "okay, I have got option" and then he just became essentially the middleman trying to communicate between the doctor and the patient, setting everything up, which worked fine, but it's not a scalable system. And he could only help one person at a time and max two or three a month, because it was just such a time consuming, tedious procedure. And one day he thought this was before I came on, you know, he looked at Airbnb and that kind of model where a platform allows people who own homes and people who would like to rent homes to connect each other without this active participation of a facilitator. Same with kayak, you know, when you used to need a travel agent, no longer you have the platform of kayak that gets you a flight or hotel, everything you need.

Scott Anthony Barlow 20:40
Can access supply and demand.

Lynn Marie Morski 20:42
Exactly. Yeah, he said, "we need... nobody's applying this to medical tourism. We need to do this." And what actually happened if lizards need any more reason to follow their intuition. I had met my business partner, two times in person, one was at a yoga festival, and one was at Burning Man. And at some point, you know, Facebook friended him, never had a conversation with him more than three minutes, I didn't have any idea what he did for a living. And he posted something on Facebook just about, oh, look, Skype has this new translation technology, this should really help when I talked to doctors, and like, my ears perked up. And I was like, "What is this guy do?" And so I went to his website, and I looked at what he did, and I just wrote him, out of the blue, you know, I hadn't seen him in six months, wrote him an email, through Facebook and just said, I love what you're doing. And if you need a doctor, lawyer, let me know. And within five minutes, we were on the phone. And that's how this all started. And he said, I didn't know I needed a doctor, lawyer. But yes, I do. And because part of why I went into law school was a desire to change the healthcare system, my parents were uninsured my entire life, there were a lot of, you know, my dad ended up having a facial cancer that I tried to remove by myself in a hotel room at some point, you know, during my residency training, because we couldn't find anybody who would do it for a charity case, and he didn't have the money to pay for it. And I, you know, that stuck with me forever. And I like I need to change healthcare. But as I went through law school, I'm like, politics is too divisive, politics is not the way to go about it. And I realized, this is the way to go about it, like this system, if I can help build this system with Bobby, then this allows people like my father to find affordable surgical solutions, this is the change healthcare needs, you know, change it from the outside, and then the laws will have to change accordingly. So that's why I realized, oh, my gosh, this is something I'm passionate about. It's something I can use all of my skills for, even down to my multimedia skills, because it's online. And it's something that would help others and something I would be good at. It was... it just fit right into that center of what was supposed to be my call.

Scott Anthony Barlow 22:56
So the interesting thing about listening to you tell that story. And also the interesting thing, you know, hearing other similar stories, where people find and identify with what they would consider their calling is that, it doesn't... you can't really, and it sounds like you too, very much experienced this, you can't really anticipate exactly what it is. And exactly and fitted into that very strict box of, it's going to be this job title in this particular blah, blah, blah. And it sort of once you figure out what it is that you want, and once you have a good understanding of what you're great at and you're looking and you're very actively looking and open to those possibilities. then it can actually show up, is what I'm hearing you say.

Lynn Marie Morski 23:43
Yes, I couldn't agree more. That's exactly it.

Scott Anthony Barlow 23:46
But that's totally the opposite a way that almost everybody looks at it.

Lynn Marie Morski 23:50
Right. What color's your parachute?

Scott Anthony Barlow 23:52
Exactly.

Lynn Marie Morski 23:53
Go do it.

Scott Anthony Barlow 23:53
Exactly. Yeah, totally agreed. Funny thing, I totally forgot to turn off my phone and a buzz. And it said, stitcher Freakanomics radio has a new episode for you, don't miss it.

Lynn Marie Morski 24:06
You said, I would never.

Scott Anthony Barlow 24:09
Anyhow. I am totally fascinated by your story because, well, for all the reasons that I stated so far. But another thing that I really wanted to ask you about, was this concept of, trying to think even what to call it, I'm struggling for... you've got me struggling for words. That's how fascinated I am. Well, you know, let's go down this road. I am really curious, you know, as you've talked about all of these different experiences, you've talked a little bit about your dad, but are there other people in your life who have had a really big impact on you? Because I've seen over and over again that typically people, one, don't do this alone, and then two, they're typically lots of experiences along the way that come from other people. So I'm really curious who in your life has had the biggest impact on you?

Lynn Marie Morski 25:10
That's, well, like you said, my father, and also my mother, because never once, aside from like I said, my dad's claws I stern warning of, you know, let's be sure we check this out. They never questioned me, I mean, to was walk away from medicine, which I mean, I haven't, I'm still practicing. But to do such a pivot and go to law school or to up and quit multimedia and decided I was going to become a doctor. Some of these things sound a little bit outrageous to the average person, and my parents just didn't blink an eye. And my dad just was a huge fan of education. And the more of it I got, the happier he was, he didn't care as you know, like, granted, I have significant educational debt from med school. So it's not without costs, which is, you know, something you should factor in, and I would be happy to have a conversation with any of your listeners at, any point via email or whatever, if they're considering med school or law school 100%. Because, you know, it's definitely a cost benefit ratio. But I just love that, I've thanked them for that over and over. Like, I know, some of my ideas have sounded kind of crazy from time to time. Thank you for never giving me any self doubt. You know, like, if I didn't have any doubt, I sure didn't get any from them. I didn't... wasn't given any reason to and then I guess, externally. I recall having a conversation with a friend of mine, her name is Elizabeth Lamson. And she'd been a, not a career counselor, what kind of like a recruiter I think. And she just happened that we had coffee one day, right after I got back from Burning Man, incidentally, and she just... I told her like, you know, I'm finishing up law school, it's time to me to start thinking about what I want. And she said, "get a list, you know, written or in your head or otherwise, of exactly what you want." And she didn't mean, what position. She meant characteristics, just like we were talking about. And she said, "and just don't let that go, focus on that" you know, and I'm kind of a hippie. Yeah, obviously, the Burning Man thing might have been your first clue. You have like a very professional hippie, but you know, I believe that there is some merit to you know, manifesting what you want. And you have to know what that is before you can manifest it. But like you said, not what exactly it looks like in job opening form. It's what the characteristics are and know what characteristics you want, focus on those so that when the opportunity does arise, you recognize those characteristics in it, you can go for it.

Scott Anthony Barlow 27:45
Out of the blue question, but have you ever done visioning? Or do you know what visioning is?

Lynn Marie Morski 27:50
No.

Scott Anthony Barlow 27:52
So the short explanation is, I'm just curious, just because you're describing a lot of things that are similar to visiting but lots of leaders and millionaires use visioning. And really what it is it's looking, you know, five or 10 years in the future and not... similar to what we're just talking about, not describing exactly what type of job that you have, or something along those lines, but instead describing what your life is going to be like, and, down to the some of the smallest details, like how the things that are going on, make you feel five or 10 years in the future. And you know, what your morning routine might be like, as you wake up, and, you know, some very large, you know, how much money is in your bank account too, all of these other things. And I have, I've seen a lot of evidence, and I've started using this more recently, in the last year. And it seems to be very, very powerful. So I was just curious if, one of you used it and doesn't sound like you have, but you might check it out. You might have been the self described hippie that you are, and having some of the philosophies that you do, I think you'd find some benefit from it.

Lynn Marie Morski 29:09
No, I absolutely do. I think that that's definitely just kind of an extension of the manifesting. It's just more of a okay, let's manifest down to the detail and down to the feeling and I love that, that's fantastic. The closer thing I've done to that was this, I found this guided meditation online, it's like rockstar meditation or something. And I was like, well, I just... the names too good. Let's try this. And it definitely described that. It was like, picture you in your happiest self and it just went, it kind of guided you through, like, how do you feel? What do you look like? What are you doing that day? And I only did that meditation once but I distinctly remember everything that I thought in it, and as I tried to build my life, I'm like, okay, remember that, that's the picture that you thought would make you happy. So it's kind of a similar so I'm gonna pour into that.

Scott Anthony Barlow 29:59
Interesting. Well, hey, I just realized that this conversation has flown by. And we are just about out of time. I really, really appreciate you making the time. And I know that we were scheduled once or twice. And I'm really glad that we could make it work and getting on the phone, field Skype here. And yeah, very much appreciate that. But for those people that want to talk to you about taking on, you know, high school or not high school, college or graduate degree debt, yeah, high school debt.

Lynn Marie Morski 30:31
I highly recommend people.

Scott Anthony Barlow 30:33
Yeah. But how can they find you? How can they reach out to you? What's the best way to do that?

Lynn Marie Morski 30:39
I'm on LinkedIn. I am also on Facebook, those are two kind of easy routes. And I think, yeah, either of those ways. My name is Lynn Marie Morski, as I'm sure the show notes, will say, LinkedIn is a great way. It's super nerdy but that's, I've realized that that's where this new tech space, I mean, everybody's on LinkedIn. It's just a thing. Yes. But you know, Facebook, shoot me a message, and I'm sure, I'm guessing that I can probably give you an email that they could put in the show notes.

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Speaker 2 33:00
I started this job and it was about two years in and I realized that was very good job with good people, it didn't fit my values.

Scott Anthony Barlow 33:12
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Lynn Marie Morski 33:44
Burning Man. Its...

Scott Anthony Barlow 33:47
What does Burning Man mean to you? I'm curious.

Lynn Marie Morski 33:50
It means, I'd think I'd say freedom. If I had to sum it up in one word. It means that you can go somewhere for one week a year, and you're just free from the bounds of societal norms. And prior to going to Burning Man, there were a lot of societal norms that always frustrated me. Like, this doesn't make any sense, you know, for I mean, this is way too candid. But for example, how can you go out in a bikini that is next to nothing, but you know, somebody comes out in regular underwear and that's somehow scandalous, like that never made any sense to me. And so Burning Man, you know, norms are just out the window and it's replaced essentially by kind of Golden Rule type things like, don't hurt anybody else. Pick up after yourself. Just basic things that make everybody have a great time and let you be whoever you are. And I just think it's something everybody should do once, probably twice in your life. If anybody's interested there's a video you should check out on YouTube called Charlie goes to Burning Man and it's about 80 something year old gentleman who went for his first time and it shows you it's not just some kind of you know, whatever people think a music festival or a drug field orgy, it's none of those things. I mean, well, it can be those things. But in addition, your real life changing a growth experience for anybody who's there and consciously there and paying attention and really open to the experience.

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