384: Creating A Path To Your Ideal Career (And The Tool You Need To Make It Happen)



There is one thing we mention in emails and on the podcast again and again and again.

It’s one of the most impactful tools we work with our clients to create early in their career change process.

It lays the foundation for all the rest of the work that is done – from identifying the right role for you to finding the perfect organization to conducting interviews and negotiating.

This tool is the Ideal Career Profile.

It’s a complete look at what you really want in your life and career – not just the minimums that you MUST have to even consider taking a role. This goes beyond to define exactly what your IDEAL life looks and how your career fits into that.

Sharissa Sebastian shares a behind-the-scenes look at what an Ideal Career Profile is, how it makes career change that fits possible, and what some of the challenges are along the way when you’re making a change and how it helps alleviate those pains.

Scott Anthony Barlow 0:00
Let's spend a few minutes talking about, like what's behind this idea of spending the time and effort to identify what your ideal career looks like in the first place. So tell me a little bit about that.

Unknown Speaker 0:15
Okay, so one of the things that's so important as we go through this process is starting with the end in mind, like, you've got to know what your aim as are, these have an idea of what it is that you really want in order to be able to create a plan to get to this. So I think that's why this whole idea of being here and having that level of clarity is so important in this whole journey and getting that as soon as possible, like, Oh, you already starting to work, one that really helps to move that process forward in the direction that's going to be the most beneficial.

Scott Anthony Barlow 0:43
That's amazing. And you and I have had the opportunity to see the impacts of being clear about as you say, where you're going, Are you beginning with the end in mind? And I'm really curious, as you think about some of the people that you've worked with, recently, where have you seen the actual tangible impacts show up? When you do all the work? Often it it's a fair amount of work to get clear on where you want to go? What does that look like?

Unknown Speaker 1:13
So yeah, that's a great question. So one of the things that I've noticed going through this process is we it really helps a ton, even though this is this part of it can be a lot, like I said, a lot of work. That's where coaching comes in, is having coaching conversations can really help to uncover some of these things. But once you do that, it makes it so much easier to be very specific on those next steps. So going into like the Korea compensation. So we talked a lot about career compensations offers ideal career profile, what that is, is basically just reaching out, do your research on some potential opportunities that might be a good fit, and then reaching out to people who already are in those roles, or no work at the companies that you're interested in working on and those kinds of things. So when you do the ideal career profile, and you spend the time and effort that it takes to get as clear as it can possibly be, then it just makes it so much more efficient with the process documents is so much more efficient. So you can really target the you know, the jobs that companies have more beneficial, I guess conversations with people that are going to get you closer to where you want to go. But without knowing without having that clarity of what's going to be right for you what you're looking for all those other pieces that go into the ideal period, you can spend so much time doing research, and you're doing all of those things and having a ton of conversations, and it's not going to get you that much closer in the amount of time in a short amount of time. So I think that's one of the biggest benefits that I see is really kind of getting from A to B.

Scott Anthony Barlow 2:36
And you and I throw around that word all the time, the ideal career profile, or that term, I should say, all the time. But for those people who it's a newer term for what does that actually mean? in your own words? Like, how would you describe what an ideal career profile actually is, let alone what it does for you.

Unknown Speaker 2:54
I think back to summarize, it's one of the things that it really does is provide that clarity, but part of it is also that introspective look. So right before we do the ideal pupil profile, you deleted the spans of difference. So by the time all kinds get inside your peer profile, they already have a good idea of what we call the signature spin. Also those spins that you know, that really say the top five that are really aligned with who they are as a person where they function best. And so knowing that going into the ideal profile gives them that much more clarity on the type of work that's going to be you know, that like what skills that they want to use or leverage in finding the ideal job or ideal. And then the other plus ideal career profile is what they want at a minimum. So it can be in a number of different areas it can be in terms of salary can be in terms of company, like either looking for a specific company, culture or environment. And I've seen some of my clients get and actually the time to get the most out of this idea. I'll get very specific. So they talk about what they want in their ideal boss, what do they want today ideal, you know, coworkers, and the environment, all those types of things, what type of work that maybe based on past experience, or based on their interests and things like that? What type of work do they really want at a minimum, and then also the ideal, so there's absolutely nothing holding them back. No Barriers, like what is it ideally that they would like to experience. Another thing that I want to add with ideal career profile is it's not just about career, but I love that it also talks about the life, you know, because I really believe that your career needs to fit into your life and not the other way around. When it comes to your life or on your on your work. But you want to make sure that both of those things are working really well for you to get the idea profile also gives us the opportunity to think about it and reflect from that standpoint, like ideally. And then you do the vision, the exercise as well, which also feeds into this and ties in really well. Because it's like envisioning, ideally, what you want your life and your lifestyle and your work and all those things to look like. And so when you get a little bit more clarity on all of those things, it's a lot easier to come back to the ideal career profile and say, okay, so at a minimum, here's what I want my work to look like, here's the type of lifestyle that I want, like what my phones, for example, is something we talk about a lot. A lot of my clients really want that and that's one of their top priorities. And so that comes into play with ideal career profile. So again, it's your signature sprint, and basically suspense, how they type in the type of work that they're looking for, or how they want to use those things. And then it's also at a minimum, what they're looking for. And then ideally, what is it that they would like, even if it seems completely out of reach. And that's something that as a coach, I really stretch my clients with. Like, even if it seems like you have no idea how you will possibly get to that ideal situation, just go ahead and do that. Because I've seen an incredible thing happen where people just put it on paper and put it on paper. And then all of a sudden, they start to realize that it's actually more possible than they realize, and of course, going into the conversations with people that are actually doing this type of work and things like that. They broaden their perspective, as well. And they start to realize that a lot of what they thought was not possible. So

Scott Anthony Barlow 5:42
what's an example where you've seen that happen, that's one of my favorite parts of this work, by the way that you just mentioned, where, you know, they have this idea, and then all of a sudden, you know, it's put down on paper, and then from there, it starts to become possible. That's really fun for me, but what's an example of that that you've experienced?

Unknown Speaker 6:02
So actually, one of my clients, Judith, I think, is a good example of this, because she does such a phenomenal job of ideas. So she had a lot of interest outside of work. And because she wanted a very unique type of opportunity that allowed a lot of flexibility to be able to travel and to have time to do the other things that she had going on, outside of. And so once you create an ideal profile, to then solder to actually a lot more prepared for those conversations, like going through the interview process and things like that, because she knew she knew what it is that she wanted. And so she knew how to ask the right questions to be able to give her that flexibility to be able to negotiate, you know, that may be fixable, she even salary that she wanted that would allow her to do the things that she was really important for even outside of work. And she was able to do that, and also Nanda position that gave her a three day workweek push away from five to three. And she was able to just negotiate so much more into that package that allowed us to have basically the best of both worlds, and didn't even realize it was possible until we did this exercise and was like Why not? Why not? Why

Scott Anthony Barlow 7:01
can't it be possible? Like, everybody else wants to work a five day workweek doesn't mean you have to.

Unknown Speaker 7:08
And so within

Unknown Speaker 7:11
two months of working at the company, you shouldn't even have to ask me they put it into my contract.

Scott Anthony Barlow 7:16
And interesting. I didn't know that part of her story. Yeah, yeah, that's super interesting.

Unknown Speaker 7:20
And so it was in writing, and she knew going in that she was gonna, you know, she had set us up so well, to step into that situation where all the way around, she, you know, created that ideal kind of opportunity. That was a really fun experience for me to be on that journey with her. But she actually was able to do some incredible things. And it really did start with this process of gaining clarity. And scientists believe that it's even possible and then taking the steps to step it up.

Scott Anthony Barlow 7:43
Well, it sounds like had she not done that? Initially? And had she not potentially had the prompting from you like, yeah, let's put that if that's really what you want? Let? Yes, let's put that down, of course. But that type of extra encouragement and coaching and direction and guidance, just getting to the point where you can declare that that's something that Yeah, I want that leads to later on lead well leads to a whole series of events, right? It doesn't just happen overnight, but leads to then the possibility of it happening. And then later on and Judas case it actually happening. That's pretty cool. That's fun. You know, as we talked about an ideal career profile. And I know that's a term that we made out. I mean, I made it up in conjunction with other people that I was working with way back when, but it's taken on a life of its own in terms of it being a tool. And I'm curious, what do you feel like ideal career profile is really best for? And what do you feel like are some of the limitations by using that tool or what has not made for you?

Unknown Speaker 8:49
Interesting, I think it works really well, when I think it works especially well, when people are looking to make some kind of transition. So they're not looking for like a lateral move, but they're looking to focus on the transferable skills, and they maybe move into something a little bit different than what they had done in the past. And so I think this really opens up some, some possibilities and opportunities for them that maybe they weren't able to see before going through this exercise. Because it goes back to that clarity without really being intentional about creating that level of heresy. It makes it easier, especially when you're not sure what that next step is going to be. It makes it so much harder to get through if you don't have a process set up. So I've been saying those kinds of cases, it's even more important if times are not sure. like where do I go next? And how do I even this is really

Scott Anthony Barlow 9:37
interesting. Can I ask you about that really quick? You said it sounded like especially when they're not really super clear. Initially, it's even more important. Why do you feel that way?

Unknown Speaker 9:49
If they know if the starting spot there and they already pretty clear on what they want. Either this going through this exercise is going to validate for them that they're on the right path or if they're not When they're like, Oh, you know, there's so many options, I'm not sure which way I should go. And this is going to help to narrow that down and to help them to evaluate different possibilities. And actually, especially with my multi potential clients who, you know, they're so good in so many different areas, and they're like, Ah, this is overwhelming, there's just so many things I could do, this really helps them to narrow it down and say, Okay, let's look at it through the lens of the ideal profile, because that's going to help you to focus and it doesn't mean you eliminate everything else, it just needs to give us a starting point. And then from there, there's so many other things, this option that can be open to them that maybe they weren't aware of people going through and looking at, okay, what is it that I want, at a minimum, what is it ideally that I want, and since some of those options are gonna, you know, fall off at that point, they're gonna realize that, oh, wow, like some of the options that I thought maybe a possibility, don't even leave most of my minimums. And that's an example of how going through this process can help to take away some of your take off the things that are not supposed to be there, and then also help them to really focus in on the areas that are going to get them closer to having a fulfilling career. Those are some of the cases that I've seen Wade works really, really well to get them really focused and hitting in the right direction. So that the the actions that they take also that much more intentional, rather than just kind of throwing spaghetti on the wall.

Scott Anthony Barlow 11:11
Yeah, I didn't totally appreciate that. I'll never forget when it's probably about seven years ago, seven and a half years ago or so like really early on, and happened your career days. And I remember describing that, even before I called it an ideal career profile, it sort of made this prototype of the tool for myself just to be able to make decisions. I remember describing it to this client, she was in the UK, she in the wonderful British accent goes like, Oh, yeah, you're using it like your filter for decisions. And if it doesn't make it through the filter, then you don't pursue those. I'm like, yeah, that's totally exactly how I'm using it. That always stuck with me afterwards. It's like she was right. That was kind of how I was using it at the time. But since then, it always I hear her voice in my head where it's like, yes, it's the filter only I can't do the, you know, great British accent that goes along with it. So yeah, but that's I mean, that what you make me think of now like, especially for people that have so many options, like you're talking about, or there's so many choices or feels like there's so many choices, it helps to narrow down or even remove things off the table that you might consider, where do you find are some of the limitations on the other side of this? Like, it's not magic? Turns out, it's what kind of sorcery is this? What are some of the limitations that you've seen or where it's actually not that useful.

Unknown Speaker 12:34
So this is not useful. But what I have found, though, is that sometimes times go into the ideal career. And they do look at it as like this tool where they have, you know, they put the input in, and then it's going to spit out these perfect options for them in terms of Korea was ideal Korea, at the end of it, you know, one week later, it's like, now you can go look for very specific job, you're gonna be a beekeeper. No pitches off, that's what it is, you're going to go. But yes, I have had that recently, where, you know, some of the clients have gone through this, and you're like, Oh, I thought when you go through this part of the program, that it's going to, you know, it's going to give me a very specific options for Korean. And actually, that's where the coaching comes in. And that's the beauty of having the coaching in, you know, combined with the idea of crypto buying going through this journey, because the coaching is going to help to unpack a lot of these things and connect more of the dots than maybe just the documents is going to do so it's one thing to go through the exercise and have it all on paper. But sometimes you just need to be able to like zombie process it or have a coaching session around it to really get to nail that passage know, like, oh, okay, so this is how this connects with Vivian, this is how it's going to be. It's not necessarily just the exercise itself is going to all of a sudden spit out this idea. But it's going to the coaching process can really help to refine that and help with some of those options.

Scott Anthony Barlow 13:52
That's super important. And that's something that we actually don't talk a lot about on the show, we don't really get into the nitty gritty practice of coaching. And we just don't we don't for a lot of different reasons. But I think what you point out is really super important. Because I mean, let's say that there was this magic thing. And there are actually assessments out there that like you go and you spend 15 minutes taking the assessment and like, yes, you should be a chemist, and even if it was the case, where like they got to interact with you. And you know, at the end of that short essay, you say, hey, guess what you're brand new career is and then you unveil it somehow it doesn't actually have the same effect is if they're going through a process where they decide and they've come to that conclusion. Because when you come to a conclusion on your own and you've gone through the thought process, and often experimentation, and other pieces along the way that it takes to get there. It makes it much more emotionally charged. It makes it real versus if we do the sharifa unveiling at the end, but it doesn't have literally does not have the same effect, even if you were to move into it. And I think that's something that people miss. So I so appreciate that you point out that about what is actually going on, as it relates to coaching and working through this type of process.

Unknown Speaker 15:12
And actually, I love what you said, it just reminded me of something else

Unknown Speaker 15:17
about this being a launching point, this is not the end of the process. It's not like you go to the ideal career profile. Now you have some options, and off you go. Okay, hold on here. Hold on. This is just the launching point. And I think the other thing I want to go back to that you said that's so important to this process is the is that experimentation phase off of it. So you have some ideas you were coming out of this process is going to give you some ideas of some options of what to explore. But then you've actually got to go through the work of exploring it and validating and having conversations and doing the research and all those things to make up like you said to for the client to make up their mind on what's going to be right for them. Because it's such a personal individual thing, like I can't go into it, I can't go be great at this like often do, they have to feel personally connected to it. And they have to be fully invested. Because they're like, they're going to be doing the book and spending all of those dollars and those kinds of things. So they're not connected with it. And then it's not great. So yes, I think that's another misconception sometimes going into the ideal career profile, that all sudden, this is going to be the thing, you know, that's going to give them the options. And then there's Easy peasy. But this is just the launching punch two ways to get really fun, which is to experiment.

Scott Anthony Barlow 16:28
This is something that I find is challenging for people who are in upper level or more senior type roles, this idea of exploring and taking the time yourself. And here's the reason why, like, I'll just speak for myself as a moment, but like, as a CEO, and I'm not the CEO of the largest company in the world. However, as a CEO, I am very used to hiring other people to get work done for me, right. However, if I did that, in this particular case, and went through and at the end of this, we had that Teresa unveiling that we were talking about where I don't know why I'm calling it the surest out, but we're sticking with that, I can just see like holding up a sign or something like, here's your new career, it's gonna be fair test. But even if that were the case, then it literally does not have the same effect as doing the work and going through this type of exploration. So I think that's something I've really found that we also haven't discussed on the show a lot for people who are at more senior levels that just don't have a lot of time, and are thinking about making this type of change, because a lot of their time is consumed with their higher level role in being able to provide support to teams and leading teams and many other things that happens along the way. That's another misconception that I just wanted to air because it relates to what you were talking about here. But to bring us back, though, as you think about what do people really need to understand if they want to, regardless of whether they want to work with us, or whether they you know, want to coaches help if they were to try and create their own ideal career profile? What are some of the most important elements of that, and then let's finish talking about what you were starting to talk about in terms of experimentation to

Unknown Speaker 18:15
I'm sending an error message just to get really clear on at a basic level, like your minimums and your ideals at a minimum, what is it that you really want? And I know that they can seem really broad, but actually want to provide like some examples? I think that that would be maybe helpful to clarify what you mean by minimums. And what do we mean by ideals, because I've seen this done really well. And so the idea of career profiles, we know some of our clients have really taken the time to break it down into very specific areas of their life, or areas of focus or interest and things like that. Some of those examples are I've even like I've seen ideal career profiles, I break it out into like spiritual, like from spiritual perspective, at a minimum, what do I want that to be like, from a mental perspective? You know, whether that's learning, growth, development, all of those things at a minimum, what is it that I want? And again, outside of just the the Korea and what the company can offer, but on a broader level as well? What is it that I'm looking for, at a minimum? What do I need to be able to do in those areas? And then it's also about the work and the company and what the company has to offer? Secondly, in terms of what type of boss what type of boss, right, what type of coworkers, what kind of company culture is going to be a good fit for all of those type things. And then from a financial perspective, from a bring in the sentence, right? So what is the one thing that you really enjoy doing? What do you want to do more? So those kinds of things, I think, looking at that through the lens of like, you know, the minimums and the idea of can be structured, so helpful to just go through that exercise. It doesn't have to take it's not it's not something that you need to spend hours and hours on, but just that as a starting point, it can be incredibly beneficial. And in that way, you know, when you're looking at potential job opportunities, or even like job postings and things like that, you can look at it through that. I love that analogy, I suppose to the photo of the idea of your profile are those two things, forget a minimum and then the ideal doesn't match doesn't, you know, fit those so if you do a really good job with this exercise, it makes it so much easier to read. have the opportunity to really golf.

Scott Anthony Barlow 20:03
Or like with your example of Judith, it can take it from literally impossible to now possible and feasible in the real world. That's actually something that I've observed quite a bit, too, I can't tell you the number of times that I have seen that happen with our clients and our students. And the case where I would estimate is probably around 20 to 25. Ish, I might be making that number up a little bit. But but just my sense is that it's probably roughly a quarter of the people that we've worked with that would have missed would have entirely missed the opportunity, had they not done a great job of defining it, because one of the curious observations I've had over the years is, a lot of times, it's actually pretty close to in front of you. And you're just missing it not always, there been many, many times where that's not the case. But I'm continuously surprised how many times the opportunity is just right there or within a couple of degrees of separation. And we just don't know it, because we don't know what to look for yet, and haven't defined what to look for. yet.

Unknown Speaker 21:09
They might know that it might be easy to get to the point of an ideal world like that. But a lot of times we don't 90 of the people from my own experience, sure, connect the dots between the possibility and how to actually get to make that a reality. So can that possibility and reality and I think that's where the coaching can really come in. Because that's what I do with a lot of my clients like even though for that sometimes it can be frustrating to this exercise that ideally, all of these things, but it's a matter of like, how do you connect the dots between? Okay, that's great. But I do you want that? How do we actually make that happen? What are some blips based on let's think about some ways that that might actually be possible? And then it starts to become more real. It's like, Wait a second, you mean, like this might actually be possible? Like, okay, hold on. Why not? And yeah, it gets into that process of Oh, so this is how I can maybe ask for what I want, or how I can prepare for the conversation, you know, when I'm going through the job interview, or prepare for the negotiation, and it really goes into that whole process as well and becomes so much more, it's like, Whoa, I can really do something to stick with that for myself. And then it becomes more real, and then we prepare them for that's another part of the journey, but we will pay them for those conversations, so that they feel good. It's not like they're not extremely, like scared or nervous to even go into that conversation. But they feel really good about how they're doing. So that's another part of the, you know, the preparation process

Scott Anthony Barlow 22:24
will essentially bringing that up here. You know, I know that earlier you mentioned and we started talking about how the ICP, the ideal career profile begins to interact with experimentation. A lot of times, not all the time. But a lot of the time when we're working with people, we'll have them go through some measure of test drive or experiment. And you know, many times that can be what we call the social Goldilocks type of experiment where people are, it's an easy example. But like reaching out to other people for short conversations, to be able to learn more about what a particular role is really like, you know, and that's a very easy example to point to. But it can be other types of experiments too. And we have six that we do more commonly than anything else. But help us understand here a little bit about how the ideal career profile interacts with different types of experiments.

Unknown Speaker 23:16
Oh, yeah, that's great, because that is really the next part in the process. And it all does tie together so well. So looking for social goals, as an example. So with the ideal career profile, one of the things we work in it once that's done once, one of the things we work on in the coaching process is to start to have a coaching conversation around like, okay, now now that we have the ideal profile, how do we then come up with some possibilities, some potential options are some areas that you can you know, that all times can explore, so that it makes it easier to be able to reach the right people and contact the right people to have those career conversations and to have a conversation around what to do. And, you know, I'm curious about this area of what to do and those kinds of things benzocaine. And for that to make fun of, and some of the other things that we do as well. But I do hear a co founder he helps with if they decide as a result of going through this process, that they really want to focus in a certain area and say they want to be like a thought leader in a particular area. They're a part of that is like writing articles on LinkedIn, for example, or, you know, making sure that they are seen as that expert in that area on their LinkedIn profile. And there's other ways to do that as well. But that's just another example how going through this process of the ideal career profile, can help them really narrow like hone in on this thing that they really want. And just so that they feel really passionate about and strongly about, because when they do that they have so much more momentum, they have so much more motivation to really want to do these things and to take the next step. And then of course, there's that level of clarity that happens as well. And there's a lot of other ways that we go about doing it. But those are just some examples of how the ideal career productivity launch that process and I've seen it happen. Like it doesn't take long. There's no guarantee, of course about like how long it's going to take from this point in the process to when they land that job if that's what they want. But what I have seen happen that it can it can be a slow process. Sometimes they have a couple of conversations and all of a sudden they're in an interview. Where that could go. And so being open to that, and a lot of times, you know, are open to it just being curious and to having this conversation, just realizing that every step that they take, even though sometimes it might take a little bit longer, and depending on the situation, but every step that they take, it's moving them closer to what it is that they really want. It's kind of a fun process to go through. But also, it does take work and commitment and dedication to get to ideally, when

Scott Anthony Barlow 25:26
you mentioned how sometimes it can be a short process. Other times, it's not certainly, I mean, we've certainly had occasions where we've worked with people for, like 18 or 19 months or so. But that's an outlier. And we've also had occasions where, like 30 days, but also an outlier, right? And not necessarily, neither of those are necessarily average. What it makes me think of though, is, I just recently, literally in the last few days, my son who we recently enrolled all of our kids in a homeschool program, necessarily, or recently, I should say, we really, really cool, that's another conversation in terms of like, why we chose to do that, however, we made that decision. And one of the interesting byproducts of it was that now my youngest son, who's nine now is doing work that is really, really, really relatable to the real world. So he was asked to go and make designs for door knockers. So it actually very closely follows the same process that we use for creating an ideal career profile. And also, you know, putting it into experimentation, like seeing, hey, did what I put on paper, is that actually what I want, and then going and turning it into something that is reality. So he's going through, like, the first thing he decided is like a door knocker stupid, you're not gonna be able to hear that through the entire rest of the house. I want to make a doorbell and set because that's actually going to be inside. I'm like, okay, make a doorbell. Alright, fantastic, whatever. And then, so he does these designs for doorbells, essentially. And then, you know, his first design is like, he's got all these different spoons, and they're supposed to clock together when somebody pushes the doorbell button, and basically, it was not gonna work at all right. But then by this third design, he's producing something that we actually turned into a real doorbell. And then, you know, he built the doorbell like he two nights ago, we were up really late. And he's got the power tools and nine year old power tools, it's a little scary, but he got this doorbell put together, and then found that it didn't work as well as what he thought it was going to it did work, but not as well as what he thought it was going to. So then he's like, oh, my goodness, I could do this, and this and this, and this, and this. And really this process that you're describing functions a lot like that. It is an evolutionary process. It's an iterative type process, in order to go from literally an idea, something where at the beginning, he's like, this is a stupid project. When would I ever use this? He said that. And then all the way on the other end to now he's excited because he like made this doorbell out of an idea. And it's the same type of thing. So I'm curious, you know, what are some of the biggest misconceptions about this type of process that we've been talking about here?

Unknown Speaker 28:15
Oh, I think maybe, yeah, what one of them, the first thing that comes to mind actually, is that enrolling in this process or saying yes to the process is going to magically fix. It's like, yeah, we have this almost like, oh, now that I've been enrolled in this, oh, my problems are solved. And it's going to be not that I have a way that's a misconception about that the work is going to be easy, or what it is exactly, but it's like they can make this idea that he once I enroll, and it goes through this period of time that at the end, everything is going to be you know, unicorns and rainbows and butterflies is going to be perfect. And this is like timeframe, everything's gonna work. And then at the end of the timeframe, it's going to magically all come together. And of course, as we know, you know, as life is, it doesn't quite work like that all the time that sometimes, like you said, sometimes we can like sometimes that process does get kind of, you know, this shortcut, even there's ways that things work out a lot sooner than maybe we had anticipated or things just work really quickly. And that's great. That's fantastic. I've seen that happen several times. And there's often times we like to sit through it takes a little bit longer. Now again, the outliers, right? So it's not always going to take whatever 1718 months but at the same time going into this process and having this idea that all of a sudden, at the end of eight weeks, you're going to come out and be already have the job interview or the land a job that can be something that can trip people up I think coming in just having this idea that somehow it's all going to fit into this timeframe that we signed up for and then that's it.

Scott Anthony Barlow 29:37
We're done. No staying up late to make doorbells.

Unknown Speaker 29:42
I think that's maybe one of the biggest misconceptions that I've come across is that this is going to fix everything and then at the end of it, you know, I'm going to come up with whatever with that ideal Korean record.

Scott Anthony Barlow 29:56
What have you found is a pleasant surprise. for, you know, one, or maybe even many clients, yeah, as you've gone through and helped them create their own version of their ideal career and put that on digital or real paper, you know, what has been a pleasant surprise for them that you they were surprised by, or something that you've been surprised by, as you've now done this many times over?

Unknown Speaker 30:22
Oh, there's three guns that come to mind immediately when I think about this is to clients in particular, that has made a pretty significant shift from what they were doing before, to what they now realize is like a much benefit for them and they came in, they like despondent, they were like, I don't even know if I can make a change, like, this is all I've known, I don't even know, if anything else is possible, maybe I need to just stay where I am, like, I'm not really sure where to go with this. And then go into the process go into the idea, career profile, exercise, and all of that, they realize that there's actually options that are potentially so much better for them than what they had experienced in the past. Not only that, but they also do like that they have a lot of transferable skills, and they start to see that light at the end of the tunnel. Like, it's not just something new and interesting to explore. But I actually have things for my experience, even though I haven't been doing this specific thing before. But there are a lot of things in my past experience and transferable skills, and all those kinds of things that can even extend that can really tie in to this career that I'm receiving. And so take off with that. There's one that one of my clients that has a legal background, and she's done, you know, a lot of incredible things in the legal field, she felt like she never really quite fond of it, she just kind of got to a point where it just wasn't working for him, there were a lot of things that they just weren't great based on experience. But what she did enjoy what she does absolutely not clearly passionate about is climate change. And so she was able to connect the two. And now she's going off to, you know, climate change that actually leverages her the legal expertise from the past, even though it wasn't necessarily specifically intention. So that's one example, then I've got another time to make quite a big shift as well, when from a retail background, not so excited, because she's realizing that a lot of the retail experience actually has a lot of elements of project management in it. And she's a lot more excited and enthusiastic about exploring different project management options than she ever was and staying. And so those are some examples of like, once you start to see things, you know, once you go through the process, and you start to realize so much more as possible than what you were settling for maybe in the box. And so that's really exciting to watch, because they also make significant shifts that happened and they start to get really excited and like oh my gosh, I never realized that I even had those scripts, or that it was even possible for me. And now I see how this might actually be a reality. Like I can see how I can get even faster than I thought possible. So I think those are some of the things that like unexpected surprises that happen along the way, which is just

Scott Anthony Barlow 32:41
that's fun. Those types of surprises are one of the reasons why I love doing the type of work that we get to do that. I appreciate you sharing and thank you so much for coming on and sharing about how this idea of ideal career profile or creating a profile of your ideal career, how that works, what it is, what it actually does, why on earth would be worthwhile to take the time to do something crazy like that in the first place. I really appreciate it Teresa,

Unknown Speaker 33:10
no problem. I love this stuff.

Unknown Speaker 33:15
I really hope that this inspires you because if you're thinking about it

Unknown Speaker 33:19
many times, people What do you really desire is so possible so believe in that trust in that trust in yourself and as the Prophet

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