565: How to Harness Your Signature Strengths to Conquer Imposter Syndrome

Amy Dickerson 00:01

I was stuck in that mindset of, "But I have a degree. I really should be working on my degrees." I thought I couldn't make the connection. So the imposter syndrome kicked in that you don't have the skill set to do it.

Introduction 00:18

This is the Happen To Your Career podcast with Scott Anthony Barlow. We hope you stop doing work that doesn't fit you, figure out what does, and make it happen. We help you define the work that is unapologetically you, and then go get it. If you feel like you were meant for more, and you're ready to make a change, keep listening. Here's Scott. Here's Scott. Here's Scott.

Scott Anthony Barlow 00:42

What happens when everything you thought that you wanted to do for a career isn't? You go to school, you get an education, maybe even a master's degree, and then realize immediately upon graduation that what you got your education in it just isn't going to be your ideal career fit. So then what? Was it all a waste of time? How do we move into a new field? So many questions.

Amy Dickerson 01:10

We all have got that thing that no matter where you drop me, it doesn't matter if I work for this company, that company. If I work in nonprofits, I work in for profit. It doesn't matter if I'm working with my family, or if I'm over here just volunteering. If you give me an opportunity to do that thing, that is my thing.

Scott Anthony Barlow 01:31

That's Amy Dickerson. Amy is a coach on our team and someone who made her own career change. She went to school for physical therapy, got her master's degree, never actually worked in that field– that's right. Seven years of schooling, and she never worked as a physical therapist. Why? Well, when she began looking for work after college, she quickly realized that her strengths were pulling her in a completely different direction. She knew that she wanted something different, but that didn't make the change easy. Amy struggled with untangling her identity from being a physical therapist as well as a major impostor syndrome when she was trying to enter this brand new field. Okay, fast forward, and Amy has now been a career coach for many, many years. She's got lots of wonderful experiences. She's actually one of the few people that I know that has been doing coaching since before it was popular. She's an expert in helping people pinpoint their unique strengths and showing them how they've been unknowingly using those same strengths their entire life. As you can guess, she's also pretty amazing at helping people with detaching their identity from their careers and overcoming impostor syndrome. In our conversation, Amy uses her own career journey to explain how, even when you think you have no direction, and you're wondering what's next, your strengths can still help you discover what you're really meant to be doing. So this is the point where we get to jump in. Here's my conversation with Amy. She's taking us back to a pretty pivotal point in her life when she realized she didn't want to be that physical therapist.

Amy Dickerson 03:06

Well, my bachelor's degree is in health sciences. And my master's degree is in physical therapy, actually, which is a very, very competitive program to get into, and an extremely challenging program. At the time that I actually went into school for it, it was only... you only went to the master's degree at that point. That eventually changed it to a doctorate the year after I graduated, which made complete sense because you went to medical school. No one told you that you were going to go full-on medical school. But as a physical therapist, you literally have to know everything that the doctors know. You have to be able to read X-rays, read MRIs, PET scans, all of that, because you have to do a separate evaluation than what the doctor does to confirm that what they believe they're seeing is what you see as well. So yeah, I had no idea I was going to go full-on medical school. But if you think about it, so therapy is a form of coaching. So I've always had that coaching thing in me and it's ironic how I ended up coming right back around the coaching, I call it my story to Nineveh. If there's anyone out there who's ever read any biblical stories, one of those stories people tend to read is the story of Jonah and the great fish, or the whale as some people refer to it, but it's the great fish. So in that story, you know, God tells Jonah, "Hey, I want you to go to Tarshish and speak to the people and this and that." And Jonah was like, "I'm gonna find going to Nineveh." So he went on over to Nineveh, did what he wants to do, ended up being swallowed by this fish, you know, praying to God, "Get me out of the situation." Gets spit out, gets some stuff together, and then finally, he's like, "Okay, I guess I'll go to Tarshish now." So as I grew up as a child, and you probably had a bit of this growing up too where, even as a kid, people will always come to you for advice. And as a child, you're just growing up. You're a kid. You're not thinking about what you're doing, and all that, whatever. But I always had a keen awareness of problem-solving, trying to find solutions to problems, because I always wanted to see people be happy about living life. I always, you know, had an appreciation for the spiritual side of things, and for the fact that if we made it here, then hey, there's got to be a reason why we're here. So early in my life, I would have these philosophical problem-solving conversations. I mean, I'm nine years old having conversations with adults. I was like, "Wait, what's going on here." But it continued, of course, as I grew. But one thing I didn't recognize about myself that I actually just learned about myself in the last two to three years, is that impact. So, therefore, people's emotions, energies, all those things, they impact me. And I always knew that as a kid, but I didn't know it had an actual name. So I thought I was crazy. So I would never talk about the fact that I could move through a crowd. And I would literally feel energy change emotions. So because of that, when you're having conversations with people about life and things, whatever, for me being the impact, therefore, I took on a lot of the emotions that they had. So for me, I emotionally invested sometimes more than the person themselves did. And because of that, over the years, it became heaviness. Heaviness. Heaviness. So by the time I graduated high school, I was like, "I don't want to do anything that has to do with any form of counseling. I don't want to have toxic. I don't want." So I completely just push it away, push it away, push it away. And slowly over years, I really had already started doing it. So I had decided years before that, "I liked the idea of teaching, and I kind of liked the idea of being in the health space." And I had discovered physical therapy. So I decided, "Oh, this seems like a really good fit. I think I'm gonna go for physical therapy." So that's what I did. Once I went to college, started University of Michigan– go blue, that's right, go blue out there. And got a scholarship, but they didn't have my full major there. They didn't have physical therapy in Ann Arbor. So I had a plan to switch. I was going to use as much as my scholarship as possible, and then switch to another school that had the program. And I ended up at Oakley University and that's where I got my degrees. So the year I graduated, actually, was the first year we had ever experienced a hiring freeze. Yeah. That had never happened before. And they have been kind of moving across the country at the time. So right at the time we graduated, it was hitting Michigan. So when you graduate, of course, you don't graduate as a full therapist or full doctor where, you know, you always have to go take your exams, get your license, all that. So when I first graduated, I was trying to do things with my student license, but nobody was really hiring. And I just wasn't as well connected, healthcare-wise, with people in my community. I just wasn't connected like that to be able to find someone who can help me make that kind of move. My sister, ironically, which I didn't even know when I chose physical therapy, my sister who's 20 years older than me, she was an occupational therapist. I didn't even realize it. So she tried to help, whatever, but it was just a tough time. So basically, at a certain point, I was just kind of like I'm exhausted from school. I'm exhausted from looking, I'm just exhausted. I'm gonna just step back, take a break, and I'm just gonna do a little temporary work, and then come back around. So I went to the temporary field and just kind of worked here and there. And I ended up at the, what was at the time, the leader in outplacement services, the company that actually began the outplacement industry. And for those who don't know outplacement is, when people get laid off from their jobs, they end up getting connected to a company that will help to coach them and counsel them through that process to help them get their resume together, interviewing skills, networking skills, negotiating all of that to help you move to your next position. So I ended up doing a temp stint there and I really enjoyed it, connected really well with the staff, but I did my few weeks and then I was off. So in a few months later, I decided to just reach out to the company just because I really enjoyed the people that I worked with. So I just sent an email, "Hey, how are you guys doing? Blah, blah, blah." I got an email back that said, "Oh, my gosh, we have been looking for you. Where are you? We have an open position and we want you. Get back here." So at that time, I was no longer working with the temporary agency. So I was like, "Oh, wow, this is amazing." So that's how I ended up getting connected into the world of outplacement which then led me into career coaching of those, again, in the beginning with that I really didn't want to go into coaching, or at that time it was called consulting.

Scott Anthony Barlow 10:37

Tell me about that. What was it? Do you remember what was in your mind back then where you're like, "Yeah, I don't know, I don't really want anything to do with this."

Amy Dickerson 10:45

Yes, we actually have a name for it now. It's called impostor syndrome. We didn't have those words, then. So here I, again, I am someone with a master's degree. And I just really loved the work that was being done. And so although I knew I had this degree, I just was drawn. So I didn't really care what I was doing there. So I came in, in the admin position initially, but my boss saw early on how I worked with the clients, and how I helped them to really pinpoint what it is that their strengths were, and what they really brought to the table for the company. And the way that I helped them to focus on those things, it really craved a shift in them a little bit more quickly than they had been seeing with people, and giving them that confidence to be able to get back out there and to work that job search process. Because as you and I know, and probably some of the listeners know, looking for a job is a job. So you have to really get out there and be prepared for. So after observing me, he came to me one day and said, "Hey, yeah, so I'm going to be sending you to consulting training." And I just jumped back, "What? No."

Scott Anthony Barlow 12:11

Absolutely not.

Amy Dickerson 12:12

"Absolutely not. No, I don't want to be a consultant. No, no, no." And he said, "Oh, yeah, you're going." And it was kind of like the way he said it was like, oh, wow, there's no arguing here. He's gonna make me go. And he did. And I did complete the training. But like you said, that first reaction, I think because I looked at the other actual consultants, and these were people who have been working in corporate America for 10-15, sometimes 20 years, these were people who had held certain levels of executive positions, they may have been people who have worked in HR. And so looking at that, and then comparing my background, although I have this amazing degree that was extremely difficult to get, and it's highly respected, it wasn't this particular field per se. And so for me, I didn't initially connect the coaching aspect, the teaching aspect, the training aspect that I had developed, the observation skills that I had developed in physical therapy, I didn't exactly initially translate that to what was being done with career consulting, which is ironic because that's one of my very key traits. When I help people, it's one of the things that I'm able to do, I'm able to see those kind of hidden ties between where they are and where they want to be. So it's so crazy that I couldn't do it for myself.

Scott Anthony Barlow 13:50

So let me ask you about that. Do you think that if we go back before, for a little bit, I fully understand what you're saying that, "Hey, I couldn't see this for myself. I couldn't pull this together for myself", which I absolutely understand. We, almost all of us, have that blind spot for ourselves until we can connect it together externally, or we have somebody else that's helped to connect it for us in one way or another. So I get that part. What I'm curious about though, is at the time, do you think that person who sent you to the training and everything, do you think they saw that, and that part of the reason why they chose to do that?

Amy Dickerson 14:32

100%. He told me 100% that he could see that my ability to be able to do those things and see that and other people and also just my natural... I just always had a natural propensity to ask the questions once people told me, "I really would like to do this. I really would like to change this." I really... I would just, always in my life, even when I was younger, I just started asking questions. Well, what is it exactly that you want to do? Well, what do you have now that you think connects with that? Why is it that you want to go in that direction? What do you feel like is moving you and so on and so forth. So I was doing this because it was just my natural talent. But I didn't know, I didn't recognize it as a talent. ,

Scott Anthony Barlow 15:25

Yeah, this is actually a thing that other people don't normally do.

Amy Dickerson 15:30

I had no clue. I had no clue. And so because I didn't see those things, again, I wasn't able to see how I connected. So therefore, like, I was just mentioning that whole imposter syndrome. You know, I couldn't look at my natural skill set. I was thinking of things in terms only of education. Now, I'm Gen X. I don't know about you, but I'm Gen X. So Gen X were the generation that is the transitional generation. We saw how things used to be, we lived through certain transitions, and we saw where things were going. And so there were a lot of things told to us about, "if you did this, then this will happen." It was like computers before computers that if then statement, they go to. If you see this, go to that, you know that. So growing up in that, there was a certain expectation, and part of that was you go to college. So during that time period, it was really pushed for us to go get higher education. And so because of that, I was stuck in that mind frame that mindset of, "but I have a degree, I really should be working on my degrees." And so I couldn't make the connection. So the imposter syndrome kicked in that, "You don't have the skill set to do this. You don't have the capabilities. Yeah, you've been talking to people. But in the end, you're able to look at these resumes, and yes, you've helped several people get jobs. But no, you don't have the skills."

Scott Anthony Barlow 17:05

This is one of my favorites. And also, I think still to this day is one of the most fascinating things. I know you've seen this too, not just for yourself, but for other people that you've worked with, the idea that the skill sets or the potential or whatever else it is is there. But the only difference is that we can't see it in one way or another. And I think that for a lot of our listeners and clients shows up in the questions that we get over and over again, where it's like, "How do I take my existing experience and then convince other people to be able to, like, yeah, accept this experience in a new industry or new whatever else?" And what I find is, in some ways, although it's a very different line of thinking, and it comes from sometimes this imposter syndrome type of thing that we can't necessarily see about ourselves, it's actually, in some ways, like the wrong question. I think the better question is like, "How do you go forward even though it's uncomfortable? And even though you can't see necessarily everything for yourself, or see how it relates, how do you just uncover the pieces that relate so that you can get to where you want to go in one way or another?" Just curious of your thoughts on that set of ideas.

Amy Dickerson 18:30

Well, let me just say, to me, that's one of the hallmark reasons why the expression, "everyone needs a coach" is so real. Everyone needs a coach in some form or fashion. Because part of it is the environment built around you. You're so used to moving in that space, and you've invested so much time, effort, belief, faith in these things that it's not so easy to begin to pivot, and to look at things in another way, in a different direction, and believe that you can head in a different direction. You know, there's so much of a big deal made about how much money you spent to go to school to get that skill. There's so much made about when you work at the corporation, and you've worked there for 15 years, and if you just hang in there another 15 years...

Scott Anthony Barlow 19:34

Just another 15 years, just most of the lifetime.

Amy Dickerson 19:38

That's what it used to be, right? You retire with the gold watch and the plaque and this and that. And anyway, the point is that we have a lot of other voices that are telling us how we should think about our situation. But what we don't realize sometimes is that those other voices that they're speaking those things because they actually are admiring the way that you're thinking. But they're scared just like you have a little fear. They're a little scared too. And so if they care about you, then they want the best for you. So they think in terms of safety, and security. And because of lived life experiences, there's automatically the thought of, "Do it this way, do it this way, and do it this way. Don't do it this way. Don't do it that." But part of what people are leaving out about this is that we're built as individuals will certain things that are in us from the beginning. It's just built in us. And I believe in the way I talk about it is that we all have a function in life. We all have got that thing that no matter where you drop me, it doesn't matter if I work for this company, that company. If I work in nonprofits, I work in for profit. It doesn't matter if I'm working with my family, or if I'm over here just volunteering. If you give me an opportunity to do that thing, that is my thing. The thing that no matter where I go, no matter what I do, somehow another, I always find myself heading in this direction, always into volunteering, if there's an opportunity. I always end up, you know, someone asking me to use my skill. That thing, I call it your function. So no matter where you drop the person, at some point, they're going to start moving in their function. So if we start focusing on that, that thing that's within us, we're automatically, again, going to get pulled and drawn toward the things that align with that. You know, it's like when we look at a magazine, we pick up a magazine, and we're flipping through pages, we always stop on some page because it's interesting to us. There's something on that page that draws us that we want more of, we want to read more about, we want to know more about. So it's like that, we're going to get drawn to it. So I think that there's a lot of just fear, and trepidation with this. And so that's why having a coach is so helpful because the coach has no, they have no investment in how you turn out besides being successful– achieving the goal that you set out to do. You know, they're not your mother or your father where they need you to look a certain way so that they feel a little bit of success. They're not your friends who need you to work in a certain field so that you can make a certain level of money so you can do all the things that they want to do too, and you can be on our level. We don't have as coaches that other thing that we need you to go a certain way. Where do you want to go? What do you feel is drawing you? What do you feel like is moving you, pushing you, calling you? That's what we're going to help you to uncover and get there. And that's all that makes a difference for us.

Scott Anthony Barlow 23:05

I think that is a rarity in many people's lives to have that, let's call it unbiased. That's not quite the word I'm looking for. But an unbiased person who is really just there to amplify your goals and your wants and your desires and all the things whether it's career or otherwise. And I'll say that, and you and I have had this conversation before, this part of the conversation before, but I use that as a strategy for every area of my life. So I have a therapist, I have a trainer, I have a set of coaches for various different areas that are coordinated with every single one of my goals. So they're not all coaches necessarily, but they are people that are there to help amplify what it is that I'm trying to accomplish in the world. And it is, oh my goodness, in some cases, it literally makes whatever it is that I'm trying to accomplish in any given time or any given year possible. In other cases, it just makes it far, far easier, or allows me to see the things that I can't see or never would even imagine for myself, especially in the area for, like, I don't know, health as an example.

Amy Dickerson 24:19

Yes. The thing that I would have never imagined for myself. You know, and that's where it makes the difference is that sometimes people can't even see, imagine, feel, but they just don't really believe it's realistic. And the environment around them sometimes doesn't support that either. So what you just discussed about, "I have a coach for this and a coach for that", and maybe it's not a formal "coach" but that's the role of that person.

Scott Anthony Barlow 24:53

I have a person. I have a team. I have someone that is actively helping me propel this foreword in every single way.

Amy Dickerson 25:02

Propel. That is like the secret that people are not. It's the secret that somehow getting past us in our lives because we start off with coaches in our lives– our parents are our first coaches, our family members, teachers, of course, obviously, if you play sports, you have actually a titled coach. But we have these people in our lives all along. And then somehow another we get to adulthood. And then it's like, the world is like, "Okay, let all that concept go. You get out there and you pull yourself up by your bootstraps."

Scott Anthony Barlow 25:40

"You know everything, you do everything by yourself, you just somehow like..." Yes, agreed. It's this really odd dichotomy in many different ways. It doesn't make any sense when we talk about it like that, however, it is how we functionally operate sometimes in society. But I want to go back and ask you about something here because, you know, speaking of the word functionally, you had talked about, like, the function and often will refer to that, and I hear on the podcast is the truest sense of you, or what we often will call signature strengths. And I wanted to ask you about some of yours that have showed up. Because definitely, you know, you're talking about when you were a kid, and you're having philosophical discussions with other people, that's not normal. And that's wonderful. Like, I, as a kid, I remember, as a weird kid, but I remember different points in time just like crying because I was like, seven or eight years old and it's like, "there's only so much time left in the world." And like, who does that? It's like a seven or eight-year-old kid, right? Yeah. So I think that what's really fascinating is looking for those significant differences that even show up so young sometimes. And for you, let's talk about a couple of those examples. How did... Let's take empathy and being an empath and being able to really sense and respond at a different level to other people's emotions, feelings, and emotional needs. And I think that what I heard you say earlier is that like, there was a point in time where like, "that was a thing that was happening. I couldn't control. I didn't even recognize that this was a thing that I could do. And it just felt like this massive burden." And often we'll call that the shadow side, or the dark side, or sometimes even anti-strengths, but the shadow side of your strengths. So I'm curious, what happened along the way for you to recognize that, "Nope, this actually a strength. This is actually a wonderful thing about me that allows me to live out without my function", as you call it.

Amy Dickerson 27:52

Yes. Well, I will say, I always knew, even as a child, I always knew that it was a strength. However, because no one else talked about this kind of thing. I thought something was wrong with me. But as you said, I had no control over it. It just was what it was, it was who I am. And, again, like you said, because I'm getting into these conversations and things. And I saw people get results from the conversations we would have. I knew that it wasn't a bad thing. I knew that was a positive thing. I felt like it was definitely a God-given thing. Because again, I had no control over it.

Scott Anthony Barlow 28:42

Do you remember one of those times? I'm curious, like, where you had one of those conversations and then it's like, "oh, this is real, like they're getting something out of this." What's the first time you remember that?

Amy Dickerson 28:53

Well, I will say one thing that comes to my mind is something that will happen commonly as a teenager. You know, as a teenager, trying to get along sometimes with your parents, not so easy.

Scott Anthony Barlow 29:06

As it turns out.

Amy Dickerson 29:07

As it turns out. And so I will have friends, of course, a weakened to these conversations, somehow another, I can always see past the teenager view of things. And somehow I could see the parent more as an individual person than just playing this parent role. And so because of that, there was always an awareness for me that sometimes when someone was dealing with a difficult parent or difficult situations because the parents maybe had difficult situations that they've been dealing with either actively right now in this moment, or as they grew up or something, and it has impacted how they respond to situations, to words, I was always very aware of words, and how you had to be careful sometimes. And the specific word you would choose with someone. You can still get the message across. But some words would inflame people, it will set them off, we call them now trigger words. You know, somehow had a sense of that. So I will try to talk to my friends sometimes in the sense to help them kind of see that your parents could just be reacting because of other things that are going on. And being at home, it's just easier to blow up at home and survive that than to blow up on the job. And so that was the idea that I had. So it helps my friends sometimes be able to calm down when things what happened. And I will even share with my own situation with that. So my mother and she's been gone for nine years now. But my mother coming up, she wasn't necessarily a lovey-dovey mother, she wasn't the hug you, kiss you, all that kind of tack, whatever, which, of course, now I have become the fourth one. But she, I was very aware that she cared and she was here to make sure that I was taking care of them, the last of seven children, my parents had seven children. So you know, she just wasn't that kind of person. And sometimes I've looked around and other kids, and I'd see that in their parents and their relationships. And they used to be like, "Wow, I wonder why doesn't she kind of feel that way?" And something within me always knew that, "Well, it's not my fault." Because you know, sometimes as a kid, you'll take that on. And you'll think, "What did I do? What did I this, what did I?" But somehow another I had a sense of, "It's not my fault. Not sure why, not sure what happened, but it's not my fault." And she didn't talk a lot about her past and growing up or whatever. But there were some things that when she would say something that gave me the idea that there were definitely some challenges and some things that even tragedies. So anyway, when I got to the U of M, I remember one particular time going home, and just a little bit of the... there was just something there where she seemed almost upset with me that I'm getting this opportunity, I don't know, it was just something. And when I get back to campus, I will spend some time thinking about it. And something that came to me was, you know, just that, "You know, maybe she didn't get all the love that she needed to get as she grew up. And so, therefore, she doesn't know what she was never taught. If she wasn't taught it, she doesn't know how to give that out in that way." So I decided at that point that I was going to let go of whatever anger and whatever I had against her. And instead, I was gonna give her all the love that she should have received that she did.

Scott Anthony Barlow 33:06

I love that.

Amy Dickerson 33:06

So when I start going back home, I will start hugging her, I will start kissing her on the cheek, I will start teasing her, I will do things, like, sitting her lap, lay all back on her, whatever, she would just start laughing like, "Oh my gosh, if you don't get all of this off of me." But so from there, and over the years, as we, you know, as I continued to grow up, and we both continued to grow, eventually, our relationship changed. And we ended up having a really, really great relationship. And my mother passed, she was 82. And about a year before she passed, she said to me one day I was at the house, she didn't go through illness for a couple of years at that point, and she said to me, "You know, just that, I really thank God for you. I really, truly don't know what I would do without you." And I was so shocked and taken aback, I did not say, and she just said, "I mean it. I mean, I really don't know what I would do if I hadn't had you." And I just couldn't respond, you know, even now it's like, "Okay, keep it together, and you're on the podcast. Don't melt." But you know, it definitely was kind of like, "Oh, thank God that I made that change. And I had that awareness." So again, things like that I would do over the years and help people with but, again, I didn't really see it as a skill or as a special talent or gift. It was just something that was just me and that I would share.

Scott Anthony Barlow 34:41

I love that. Let me ask you this with our about 60 seconds or so left here. What advice would you have for other people that want to find that special talent or, again, what will often call signature strengths and really want to begin to transition to using that in, not just more of your life, but particularly your career?

Amy Dickerson 35:02

Yes. Well, knowing your signature strengths then helps you to be able to understand where those strengths would be valued. So that's the first thing I would say is to begin to, hey, of course, reach out to a career coach. But reach out and do a little research, read it online, take some assessments and just see where do we typically see where those strengths are really a positive and help to move business, help to move people, help to move situations forward because of that skill set. And when you kind of connect to that, that will begin to open up your mindset and your world, your options on what you do that you really bring that someone somewhere would benefit for– a person, a company, whatever. So I would say, look further into that and really see how you can, you know, we use the expression lean in, but yeah, what professionals will allow you to lean into that and utilize that. And as you get a chance to do more and more of it, you will begin to grow and grow and flower out with those strengths. And then you'll begin to see how your very strengths, whatever you consider your "weaknesses", you'll actually begin to see how your strengths can help bolster those and support you to continue to grow because that's what it's all about, in our time here, it's about growth and continued growth.

Scott Anthony Barlow 36:38

Most of the episodes you've heard on Happen To Your Career showcase stories of people that have taken the steps to identify and land careers that they are absolutely enamored with, that match their strengths, and are really what they want in their lives. If that's something that you're ready to begin taking steps towards, that's awesome. And we want to figure out how we can help. So here's what I would suggest. Take the next five seconds to open up your email app and email me directly. I'm gonna give you my personal email address, scott@happentoyourcareer.com. Just email me and put conversation in the subject line. And when you do that, I'll introduce you to someone on our team who can have a super informal conversation with and we'll figure out the very best type of help for you, whatever that looks like. And the very best way that we can support you to make it happen. So send me an email right now with conversation in the subject line.

Scott Anthony Barlow 37:30

Here's a sneak peek into what we have coming up in store for you next week.

Scott Anthony Barlow 37:37

Today, it's just you and me talking about how to find the time to make a career change even when you are insanely busy. And the reason that we've wanted to do this type of episode for a really long time is this is one of the biggest things that stops people again and again and again if you are wanting to make a career change. Finding the time, making the time, prioritizing the time, those sounds like they should be easy, and we all know they're not. And I don't want you to have to feel bad when it isn't easy, and instead, I wanted to be able to give you some ways to be able to find that time, take back that time, and do something about it here.

Scott Anthony Barlow 38:23

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